Northern Ireland Assembly, 21 October 2024

374 contributions from 64 members. The official report.

Assembly Business

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

Before we commence business today, I have six matters to deal with. I trust that you will bear with me.

Executive Committee Business

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

First, I inform the House that the Budget (No.2) Bill received Royal Assent on 18 October 2024. It will be known as the Budget (No.2) Act (Northern Ireland) 2024, and it is Chapter 4.

Assembly Business

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

Secondly, I note that points of order have been a more frequent occurrence in the past few weeks. Where it is necessary to raise procedural points, it is right that Members do so. However, a number of points of order have fallen into the territory of seeking to take the Chair into political issues and the potential abuse of points of order.

I remind Members that if they wish to increase the likelihood that they will receive a meaningful response to a point of order, it is a courtesy to give the Speaker's Office advance notice. Some of you have been doing that, but I gently suggest that, where Members might not have given such notice, it might well be inferred that they are more interested in their own remarks than in a response from the Speaker.

Thirdly, it has been a developing trend over the past few weeks to seek my response to Committee issues. I want to record again that the Speaker has no role in the proceedings of individual Committees. Members have access to the advice of officials on Committees, which should be impartial at all times, and they should seek it as required to allow each Committee to consider issues as they arise. That is the place to deal with them, and I do not expect Committee matters to be routinely brought to me, particularly when the Committees are in the process of dealing with them.

Fourthly, Jonathan Buckley raised a point of order with Deputy Speaker Aiken in the Assembly last Tuesday, 15 October 2024, in relation to the First Minister coming back to the House to give a statement on recent revelations regarding her party and safeguarding issues. On a procedural point, I appreciate the concerns that have been raised but, again, I remind the House that the issues involved have arisen in the context of the business of a political party. For the First Minister to respond to them in that capacity, they have to be raised in a way that is connected to the responsibilities of the First Minister and deputy First Minister's office and the functions of that Executive Office. If that connection can be made, Members know that Ministers can give notice that they wish to make an oral statement to the Assembly. Members can also ask a question for urgent oral answer of the Minister, as I was content to accept on 7 October 2024.

For today, I note that the First Minister is already scheduled to answer Executive Office questions in the Chamber, and that one of the listed questions deals with these matters. I am also aware of reports that the Executive Office Committee is considering how to approach these matters. That is for the Committee to resolve.

Fifthly, Matthew O'Toole raised a point of order with the Principal Deputy Speaker on 15 October in relation to the availability of Ministers on a sitting day. There is no requirement to make a new ruling, as I have already dealt with the matter on several occasions, including in writing to Ministers in February and the Business Committee in March. It is the long-standing position that Ministers are accountable to the House and should be available for plenary business, including for questions for urgent oral answer etc, on Mondays and Tuesdays in all but exceptional circumstances. In relation to exceptional circumstances, it is, of course, understood that there may be occasions when ministerial business or an extraordinary personal commitment makes it unavoidable that a Minister is absent from plenary sittings. Indeed, that arises for me tomorrow. However, those situations should be exceptional, and I have been clear that, in those cases, Ministers should make contingency arrangements for business from their Department to be dealt with in the Assembly. The absence of a Minister should not prevent the Assembly from discussing issues.

Speaker's Business

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

Finally, on a similar note, in line with convention, I inform the House that I will be absent from the sitting tomorrow for a family engagement.

Members' Statements

Emma Sheerin (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

I will speak about an issue that brings me no joy whatsoever. Forty-two women and girls have been murdered in just under eight years in the North of Ireland: 42 women and girls, with their lives ahead of them, destroyed in a heartbeat. The North is, and has been for some time, one of the most dangerous places in Europe to be a girl, and the most dangerous place for many women is in their own home. After every death — every brutal murder — a lot of well-meaning people go to vigils, do a lot of hand-wringing and send condolences and sympathies. All those things are important, but they are not enough. We have to take action. Violence against women and girls is ingrained within our society, it is ingrained within all societies worldwide, and it has been for centuries. Misogyny, rape jokes, sexist remarks, commentary about women's appearance, the othering of women and the subjugation of women are commonplace in the North of Ireland. It is our job to tackle that situation; it is our responsibility to call it out and to see an end to the behaviours and the attitudes that lead to another newspaper article about another tragic loss.

I want to see our strategy implemented, and I want to see us all working together so that we no longer have to stand in the Chamber and send condolences to another family. This afternoon, I take the opportunity to tell everybody affected by the most recent loss on the streets, just last week, that we hear their stories, feel their pain, send our deepest sympathies and commit ourselves to never seeing this happen again.

Keith Buchanan (DUP, Mid Ulster)

There is increasing concern in my constituency regarding the provision of GP services. Over the past number of weeks, I have been made aware of the potential closure of Fairhill medical centre in Magherafelt. That proposed closure will affect more than 2,300 patients. Patients recently received a letter stating the Department of Health's intention to place them with other surgeries from 1 November. There is lots of anger within the community as to why this busy practice has been left without a permanent GP. While patients and staff are sympathetic regarding the circumstances of the closure, they are unsure why the Department of Health has taken so long to inform them of its decision to close the practice. Questions are being asked as to why the Department of Health has not kept patients regularly informed or updated. Many found out that the practice was permanently closing via local social media.

Patients were informed of the potential problem by letter on 7 August and were asked not to try to change surgery or move to another one. Indeed, those who have tried to move surgery have found that to be difficult, as surrounding surgeries have stated that they are at capacity and can no longer accept new patients. It is my understanding, after speaking to those within the GP practice, that not one GP from Ireland or the United Kingdom applied for the position at this single-handed GP practice, to take on the general medical services contract for Fairhill medical centre in Magherafelt.

I will continue to work for my constituents to ensure that they have GP services and will ask the Minister of Health and his Department to engage urgently with the community and local surgeries to ensure that patients and staff are accommodated.

David Honeyford (Alliance, Lagan Valley)

On Saturday night, I had the pleasure of being at Windsor Park to cheer on Lisburn Rangers Ladies in the Women's Challenge Cup final. What a story and journey those girls have been on. Four years ago, they were in the lowest division, just starting out. After being promoted year-on-year, this season was their first in the Premiership. It is a really young team, and many of the girls have come through the youth age grades. They secured fourth place in their first season in the Premiership and went through to the Challenge Cup final. While they came up short on Saturday night, they should be massively proud of their achievements.

Life is a journey, not a destination. It will be exciting to support a team like this in the years ahead, as the girls have a big future in the game. I want to say a massive congratulations, not only to the girls but to those behind the scenes who have helped to create the platform for the girls to perform on. A special mention goes to Ali Dickson and Nigel Farr, the coaching staff and the rest of the committee at Lisburn Rangers. They have helped to create an inclusive environment that brings people together.

Throughout Lagan Valley, there are great sports clubs full of volunteers who work tirelessly for our community. Sport unites our community, gives people opportunities and brings our community together, but grassroots sport urgently needs investment. Unfortunately, that has been seriously lacking in recent years, which continues to prevent growth and the development of the facilities that people deserve. Lisburn Rangers are a great example of what could be achieved if match funding were there to help them to realise their dream. With the massive investment in sport that we see in the South, I have repeatedly raised with the Shared Island unit and the Irish Government the question of investing Shared Island funds in sporting clubs in the North. I call on the Minister to engage with Ministers in the South to explore opening Shared Island funding to grassroots clubs in Northern Ireland.

Matthew O'Toole (Social Democratic and Labour Party, Belfast South)

I want to raise, as Emma Sheerin did, the epidemic of violence against women and femicide in this society. On the front of the 'Belfast Telegraph' today, we see listed the 42 women who have lost their lives in recent years. They did not just lose their lives; they had their lives violently and brutally taken from them. It is extremely important that the cancer of violence against women and femicide is dealt with. That will require a multi-level approach, led by the Executive. I welcome the fact that the First Minister and deputy First Minister and the Executive writ large have set that as a priority, and I say that sincerely. It is extremely important.

In my constituency in recent weeks, we have seen murders, including that of Mary Ward, who was taken violently. What is happening and has happened to women is almost beyond comprehension and words. It shames us all. It calls on us to do everything that we can, as legislators but also as human beings, to stand for both a serious criminal justice response and a more fulsome policy response that tackles the root causes of misogyny.

I raise specifically a connected issue that touches on the work of the Justice Minister and the Justice Department. It is one that, I hope, the Executive and the Minister will take forward. The Justice (Sexual Offences and Trafficking Victims) Act (Northern Ireland) 2022, which was passed in the previous mandate, included a provision, which has now been in part disapplied after a court ruling, relating to anonymity of suspects after their death. A court rightly ruled that that was not just a violation of press freedom but was wholly counter-productive. Section 8 of that Act includes a provision for post-death anonymity for victims, which, in many ways, is understandable. Lifetime anonymity for victims of rape is, of course, something that we all support, but there is a concern that has been brought to me by members of the media in Northern Ireland that we face a serious situation: in a case where a woman has been raped and murdered, the media is now, legally, not able to report the fact that she was raped.

It is a grim subject to have to discuss, but it is important. A high proportion of women who are murdered by men are also raped by them. As we deal with issues surrounding sexual violence and violence against women, we must understand the full scope of it. We must understand how serious it is. The law makes it illegal for media organisations to report that a murder victim has also been raped. I would like the Justice Minister to address that legislation urgently —

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

The Member's time is up.

Matthew O'Toole (Social Democratic and Labour Party, Belfast South)

— and see what can be done to either repeal or amend it.

Aisling Reilly (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

Ba mhaith liom aird a dhíriú ar eagraíocht phobail Ghaeilge i mo thoghlach, Glór na Móna, atá ag céiliúradh 20 bliain ar an fhód. Eagraíocht phobail agus óige Ghaeilge í Glór na Móna a bunaíodh sa bhliain 2004 le deiseanna oideachais agus sóisialta a chur ar fáil do phobal Gaeilge Chluanaí uachtair.

Ó bunaíodh í, tá scoth na hoibre déanta ag Glór na Móna. Bíonn siad ag obair leo ag eagrú ranganna Gaeilge, club óige, scéimeanna samhraidh, Fhéile na Carraige agus Fhéile na gCloigíní Gorma, agus níl iontu sin ach cuid de na rudaí a bhíonn idir lámha acu.

Ní hé amháin go mbíonn gníomhaithe Ghlór na Móna ar a ndícheall ag cur seirbhísí Gaeilge ar fáil i gCluanaí uachtair, bíonn siad i mbun feachtais ar fud na cathrach: d’imir siad ról lárnach in An Dream Dearg, agus bhí ról acu fosta ag déanamh cumann neamhspleách de chuid Chumann Lúthchleas Gael de Laochra Loch Lao. Arís, níl sa mhéid sin ach cuid de na héachtaí atá curtha i gcrích acu.

Comhghairdeas libh, a chairde: bhí Féile na Carraige eagraithe go hiontach agaibh i mbliana, le himeachtaí thar a bheith suimiúil. Bhí ócáid chéiliúrtha den scoth eagraithe agaibh i Halla na Cathrach, agus ba mhór an pléisiúr liom bheith libh oíche Shathairn. Tá bród orm bheith i mo bhall de phobal na Gaeilge. Go maire sibh an chéad 20 eile bliain.

Aisling Reilly (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

[Translation: I want to draw attention to an Irish-language community group in my constituency, Glór na Móna, that is celebrating 20 years of existence. Glór na Móna is an Irish-medium youth and community organisation that was founded in 2004 to provide educational and social opportunities for the Irish-speaking community of the upper Springfield. From its formation, Glór na Móna has carried out great work, tirelessly organising Irish classes, a youth club, summer schemes, Féile na Carraige and Féile na gCloigíní Gorma, to name but a few examples. Not only are Glór na Móna activists busy providing Irish-language services in upper Springfield, they can be seen campaigning throughout the city. They played a vital role in An Dream Dearg, and they played a role in developing Laochra Loch Lao into an independent GAA club. Again, those are only a few of their many achievements. Congratulations, my friends: you did a wonderful job in organising Féile na Carraige this year, with plenty of interesting events. You held a first-class celebration in the City Hall, and it was a pleasure to be with you on Saturday evening. I am proud to be a member of the Irish-speaking community. I wish you another 20 years..]

Cheryl Brownlee (DUP, East Antrim)

I welcome the positive news regarding the recruitment of a new Veterans Commissioner for Northern Ireland. That development, which follows commitments secured during a debate at Westminster, is an essential step forward for veterans in Northern Ireland. The creation of the Veterans Commissioner for Northern Ireland flowed from the 'New Decade, New Approach' agreement. Our veterans, who have given so much in service, deserve to have their voices heard and their needs represented every day. The appointment of a dedicated commissioner ensures that veterans in Northern Ireland are not left behind and that their concerns are brought directly to the forefront of government policy.

Earlier today, I had the privilege of spending the morning with Carrickfergus Royal British Legion, where we launched its poppy appeal. It was an incredibly moving experience to stand alongside those who continue to honour the memory of our fallen and to support the veterans who still live among us. The work of the Royal British Legion is critical in providing much-needed assistance to veterans and their families, and the poppy appeal plays a key role in raising awareness and funds to deliver those vital services.

As we approach remembrance events in the coming weeks, the reminder of the sacrifices that were made is even more poignant. We must also take a moment to acknowledge the work of the previous Veterans Commissioner, Danny Kinahan. He served the veterans with immense dedication and advocated for their rights with integrity. His departure has, understandably, left many veterans feeling that they are not treated equally to their counterparts across the rest of the United Kingdom. That is, of course, unacceptable, and it is our duty to ensure that veterans in Northern Ireland receive the same support and recognition.

I am pleased that the Minister has now committed to a swift recruitment process for a new Veterans Commissioner, with advertisements already under way. That is encouraging, but what is most important is that the new commissioner is given the independence and the resources to perform the role effectively, free from unnecessary constraints. Veterans here need an advocate who will speak for them, who understands the unique challenges that they face and who will work to ensure that they receive the support that they have earned. As we prepare to mark remembrance events in the coming weeks, let us remember those who have served and sacrificed and commit ourselves to ensuring that the veterans in our midst have a clear voice and the respect that they deserve. We owe them no less.

Kate Nicholl (Alliance, Belfast South)

The ongoing conflict in the Middle East has reached a point of unimaginable suffering. I know that I am not alone in being deeply pained by the images and stories of innocent people who have lost their lives. The numbers are staggering, but the impact goes far beyond the statistics. They are people whose futures have been stolen, their families torn apart and their communities left in ruins.

I have spoken several times during Members' Statements about the need for a ceasefire in Palestine, for humanitarian aid, for the return of the hostages and for the ending of arms sales to Israel: today, I renew that call with even greater urgency. Right now, millions of people across Gaza, Lebanon and the wider region are in need of food, shelter and medical aid.

The international community must not stand by as the atrocities continue: we must demand immediate action, an end to violence and bloodshed and a commitment to a just and lasting peace for all.

Last week, the Disasters Emergency Committee (DEC) launched an urgent appeal to provide life-saving aid to those affected. The DEC brings together 15 leading aid charities at times of humanitarian crisis overseas. I know that times are tough for many, but if people are able to contribute, their donation, no matter how small it is, will make a difference. The UK Government will match, pound for pound, up to £10 million donated by the public to that appeal.

Right now, an overwhelming 2·1 million people — almost the entire population of Gaza — do not have enough to eat. Homes, schools and hospitals lie in ruins, and people are struggling to access the most basic necessities of food, water and medical care. The situation is especially dire for children, many of whom are suffering from malnutrition, injury and trauma. We owe it to them to act. Charity alone is not enough: we need more than temporary relief; we need long-term solutions. We must hold our Governments accountable, demand diplomatic action and insist that international leaders come together to broker a ceasefire that respects human rights and upholds the dignity of all people. We also need to stop looking away from the images on our screens and use them to motivate us to act. Please speak out, pressure our Government to act and, if you can, support the DEC's appeal. Our voice and support can literally help to save lives.

Colm Gildernew (Sinn Féin, Fermanagh and South Tyrone)

Unfortunately, I rise to address an issue that touches on the one raised by Emma Sheerin: the absolutely unacceptable nature of violence against women and girls in our society.

Yesterday, I attended the funeral of baby Tavia Michella Ximenes Da Costa. I want Members to know that the East Timor community is a huge asset to the community in Dungannon and the South Tyrone area: it is a wonderful, close-knit community of hard-working people who bring a deep and rich culture to our shores.

I was struck by the dignity and poignancy of the funeral service, which was hugely impactful on our community. I also acknowledge Lisnahull Residents Group's holding of a vigil on Saturday evening. That also sent a poignant and powerful message to those in that community about the support that they have in our area. In their native Tetum, I say this to that community: Ita-nia lakon mak ita-nia lakon no ita-nia laran-susar mak ita hamriik hamutuk ho ita iha momentu triste ne'e. That translates as, "Your loss is our loss, and your pain is our pain. We stand with you in this time of grief".

Jonathan Buckley (DUP, Upper Bann)

Seventeen years ago, 21-year-old Paul Quinn was lured to a farm just over the Monaghan border and brutally set upon by what appear to have been 10 to a dozen men. They beat him with iron bars and nail-clawed pieces of wood, breaking every major bone in his body from his neck down. Members in the House will have been introduced to and met Paul's mother and father, Breege and Stephen, on previous occasions. Their campaign for justice for their son, some 17 years on, is truly heartbreaking.

Many comments have been made since Paul's passing. The most disturbing of those comments were made by our now Economy Minister shortly after the brutal and barbaric killing of Paul. He claimed that everybody knew that Paul was up to criminality anyway. Imagine a member of the cartel having the audacity to tell anybody that they were up to their neck in criminality. Reporting in 2007, John Grieve of the Independent Monitoring Commission stated:

"we do believe that those who were involved ... included people who are members or former members or have associations with members or former members of the Provisional IRA."

I do not need to bear on the point. We will have seen in today's media that the PSNI assesses that the 2015 assessment of the status of the Provisional IRA is unchanged and that the army council continue to oversee Sinn Féin activity, so I reiterate the call of Breege and Stephen Quinn.

The gardaí have launched another investigation and an appeal for information, so I say to the Benches opposite that people are sick of the cover-ups and the denials. Help that family to get justice. To anybody who conceals information about the acts of those involved in the murder of Paul Quinn or any other murder, I say come forward and give those families the justice and respect that they deserve.

Sian Mulholland (Alliance, North Antrim)

I congratulate Carey Faughs GAC on winning the intermediate hurling final on Saturday afternoon. First, though, I want to send commiserations. It was the beeziest pitch-side experience I have ever had, yesterday afternoon, when Dunloy faced Cushendall. I have been told to congratulate Cushendall on behalf of my colleague Danny Donnelly, but, obviously, I want to pay tribute to the North Antrim team of Dunloy first.

To prepare for a county final, you have to sacrifice nights with your family. There are days heading to the pitch when you would really rather just be in the house doing something, but you work so hard, and that moment is everything to the team. However, the win on Saturday was so much more for the community of Carey, and I just want to make a few comments as to why.

On August 16 this year, as the local MLA, I started to receive text messages and phone calls that something really bad had happened in Ballyvoy. I could not have prepared myself for the fact that, in a phone call, it was confirmed that the little boy who lost his life was a teammate and friend of my son. Wee Joe Hegarty had boundless enthusiasm. He was full of inquisitiveness, and fearless. As someone at his funeral said, five minutes after you met Joe, he knew you and you knew him. Having moved to Ballycastle a year ago, I can wholeheartedly say that.

You would be forgiven for thinking that it was just Joe's father, Michael, who was the coach of the young team when, actually, it was wee Joe as well. Never more has a team and community needed a win like they did on Saturday.

I pay tribute to the community. What I have seen over the past few months has been the best of rural community life. The Naomh Padraig and Carey Faughs GAC family did not let the Hegarty family walk a single inch of their journey from their home to the chapel to the grave alone. They walked every inch with them and have held them in that journey of grief ever since.

As the cup was raised on Saturday, I looked around and saw quite a few teary-eyed people who said that it was a win for wee Joe. I pay tribute to the community, to our parish priest, Father Con, who has supported us all throughout this horrendous time, and to the Carey hurlers. After they lifted the cup on Saturday afternoon, and unfurled the banner that read, "No. 26, Wee Joe, always with us", I think that more than one mind went to that boundless little man, who would have been cheering the loudest from the stands.

Pat Sheehan (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

Tá cúrsaí in Gaza ag dul chun donais gach lá dá bhfuil ag teacht. Tá Iosrael ag cur bac ar chabhair dhaoiniúil agus ar lón bia ag gabháil isteach i dtuaisceart Gaza ar gach aon chor. Ní mise atá á mhaíomh sin, a Cheann Comhairle, ach ardoifigeach de chuid na Náisiún Aontaithe.

Ach cá bhfuil mé ag caint? Nach bhfuil na Náisiúin Aontaithe ina namhaid ag Iosrael anois? Sin an fáth arbh éigean d’Iosrael beagnach 230 ball foirne de chuid na Náisiún Aontaithe a mharú le bliain anuas. Sin an fáth arbh éigean dó túr faire leis na Náisiúin Aontaithe a scriosadh agus campa de chuid na Náisiúin Aontaithe a ionsaí le tanc ar na mallaibh.

Níl a fhios agam cad é a rinne na hoibrithe eile cabhrach as cosán nuair ab éigean d’Iosrael iad a mharú, ná an 800 oibrí sláinte a mharaigh siad ach oiread. Cibé ar bith, tá an pobal idirnáisiúnta go fóill ag díol arm le hIosrael le caitheamh leis na naimhde úd. Tá 400,000 Palaistíneach i mbaol a maraithe i dtuaisceart Gaza. Mura dtuga Iosrael a mbás le buamáil, tabharfaidh siad a mbás leis an ocras.

Ní mise atá á mhaíomh sin, ach an grúpa, Jews for Justice for Palestine. Is fiú spléachadh a thabhairt ar an tsuíomh gréasáin s’acu. Gheobhaidh tú eolas ansin ar Sha’ban al-Dalou, mac léinn Palaistíneach, 20 bliain d’aois, a loisceadh ina bheatha an tseachtain seo caite nuair a bhuamáil Iosrael otharlann al-Aqsa arís. Gheobhaidh tú eolas ansin ar "phlean an ghinearáil", plean lena gcuirfear na Palaistínigh uilig go léir amach as tuaisceart Gaza le gorta agus le cibé duine a fhanann ann ina dhiaidh sin a mharú.

Tá an plean sin á chur i bhfeidhm cheana féin ag Iosrael. Ní scéal rúin é. D’fhógair Iosrael féin do na meáin chumarsáide go raibh siad le plean an ghinearáil a chur i gcrích. Má éiríonn le hIosrael na Palaistínigh a dhíbirt ó thuaisceart Gaza, tiocfaidh sé chun milleáin ní hamháin d’Iosrael, ach don phobal idirnáisiúnta ina iomláine. Ní mise atá á rá sin — ach an grúpa Iosraelach B’Tselem, eagraíocht Iosraelach atá ag obair in Iosrael ar son chearta an duine.

Féadann lucht tacaíochta Iosrael an chluas bhodhar a thabhairt do na Náisiúin Aontaithe, do Amnesty International, do Human Rights Watch agus do na céadta eile eagraíochtaí atá ag éileamh deireadh a chur leis an chinedhíothú ach nuair atá Iosraelaigh iad féin ag éileamh ar a Rialtas deireadh a chur leis an chinedhíothú, nach bhfuil an t-am dearg ag an phobal idirnáisiúnta —

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

The Member's time is up.

Pat Sheehan (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

— cluas a thabhairt le héisteacht?

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

The Member must resume his seat, please.

Pat Sheehan (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

[Translation: The situation in Gaza is getting worse every day. Israel is blocking humanitarian aid and food entering northern Gaza at every turn. It is not I who claim that but a top official of the United Nations. What do I mean by that? Is the United Nations not an enemy of Israel now? That is why Israel had to kill almost 230 United Nations staff in the past year. That is why it had to destroy a United Nations watchtower and attack a United Nations camp with a tank recently. I do not know what the other aid workers did wrong that meant that Israel had to kill them, or indeed the 800 health workers whom they killed either. However, whatever the reason, the international community is still selling arms to Israel to use against those same “enemies”. Some 400,000 Palestinians are at risk of being killed in northern Gaza. If Israel does not kill them by bombing, they will starve them to death. Again, it is not I who claim this, but the group Jews for Justice for Palestine. Its website is worth a look. There you will find information about Sha'ban al-Dalou, a 20-year-old Palestinian student who was burned alive last week when Israel again bombed al-Aqsa hospital. You will also get information about the "general's plan" to drive all Palestinians out of northern Gaza by famine and to kill whoever remains. Israel is already implementing that plan. It is no secret. Israel itself announced to the media that it was to carry out the general’s plan. If Israel succeeds in expelling the Palestinians from northern Gaza, it will bring blame not only on Israel but on the international community as a whole. It is not I making that claim — it is the Israeli group B'Tselem, an Israeli human rights organisation working in Israel. Supporters of Israel can turn a deaf ear to the United Nations, to Amnesty International, to Human Rights Watch and to the hundreds of other organizations that are demanding an end to the genocide, but when Israelis themselves demand that their Government stop the genocide, is it not time for the international community to listen?]

Deborah Erskine (DUP, Fermanagh and South Tyrone)

I bring the attention of the House to something that has been bubbling under the surface for quite some time and will have a major impact on drivers in Northern Ireland: the news that the Driver and Vehicle Agency (DVA) has terminated its contract with Worldwide Environmental Products Inc, which was to service the new test centres at Hydebank and Mallusk. It now seems clear that a legal challenge will ensue between the Department for Infrastructure and the company. As we all know, legal challenges do not resolve themselves quickly. It is wishful thinking to believe that the legal issues will be resolved within the four-month period of the new procurement process, which seeks to employ a new company to resolve the equipment issues.

The new test centres were to take a capacity of over 200,000 vehicles per year. Many in the Chamber will have heard it said in the past that those test centres would give a major boost to DVA work streams and deal with MOT backlogs. Instead, the delays in getting those test centres up and going caused the Minister to implement temporary exemption certificates from June. While we can see that that has eased some of the backlog issues, this fresh crisis in MOT testing raises many questions for the Minister. When will we see these new test centres open for MOTs? What impact will this have on other test centres. Could we see an impact on contracts for other test centres? What measures will have to be put in place should the legal challenge take longer than the duration of the temporary exemption certificates? Now, more than ever, the Assembly is conscious of budgetary pressures. That legal challenge will cost the Department millions of pounds. What knock-on impact will that have on the budget and, indeed, the ability to deliver projects? We could see projects being cut in order to pay for litigation.

It is clear that the MOT saga continues. The public will, rightly, want to know how and why that has come to be.

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

Mark Durkan, you have two minutes.

Mark Durkan (Social Democratic and Labour Party, Foyle)

I rise to address an issue that is a source of frustration across the North, but I will speak specifically about Derry, particularly the periphery of the city centre, where the need for comprehensive residents' parking schemes is long overdue. For years, constituents have been dealing with the daily challenges of finding parking near their home due to congestion from commuters, shoppers, students and visitors. Those pressures have increased with the expansion of our city, placing added strains on residential areas. While it is great to see that growth in the north-west, albeit that it is slow, public transport and general connectivity have not kept step in accessibility or affordability. We need to offer solutions that will get people out of their cars and drive that modal shift.

Minister O'Dowd has confirmed that the review of the residents' parking scheme pilot on Belfast's Rugby Road will be published soon: where is it? I am in no way blaming the Minister for the delay, but he has a responsibility to act now. That pilot began eight years ago, and it was in the pipeline for a decade before that. I understand that no additional scheme in Derry will be progressed until that pilot and a scheme in the Bogside are progressed and assessed, but parking continues to be a growing problem. In those intervening eight years, Rosemount, the university area and Bishop Street have become impassable and impossible for residents. Access to a space, even in a neighbouring street, is a real bonus. For young families, older residents and those with limited mobility, that is more than just an amenity. Competing for a space near their home is exhausting and creates unnecessary stress in their daily lives. It makes tasks such as unloading groceries or prams a nightmare, and it strips people of their independence.

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

The Member's time is up.

Mark Durkan (Social Democratic and Labour Party, Foyle)

It is long past the time to prioritise the needs of local residents. We implore the Minister to act.

Assembly Business

Ministerial Statement

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

I have received notice from the Minister of Education that he wishes to make a statement.

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

Today, I wish to set out my Department's response to the independent review of education in Northern Ireland.

Education is the cornerstone of our society. It shapes the future of our children and, in turn, our communities, our economy and our society. Like all systems, it requires regular reflection, evaluation and improvement. The independent review was commissioned by the Northern Ireland Executive to do precisely that.

I express my immense gratitude to and admiration of each member of the review panel: Keir Bloomer, Sir Gerry Loughran, Isabel Nisbet, Marie Lindsay and Robin McLoughlin. I commend their tremendous effort and dedication in carrying out that comprehensive review of our education system. It is, as one school principal described it, the most important education report in Northern Ireland in decades. Two years of engagement, consultation and consideration of a wide range of international perspectives has produced a thorough and evidence-based report that will act as a platform for the transformation of our education system. The panel's commitment to that task speaks volumes about their passion for education and their belief in its transformative power.

The review required the careful consideration of diverse perspectives, a deep understanding of the many challenges in our education system and, most importantly, the ability to produce a vision for the future. The panel has set out a vision for the transformation of education over the next 20 years. I endorse and commend that vision for educational excellence. It is a vision for a well-designed, efficient and adequately funded system of education that continues to provide choice, is inclusive, encourages collaboration ahead of competition and will offer greater opportunities for young people from different communities to learn together.

The independent review outlines that Northern Ireland should be proud of its track record of high achievement and can build on many areas of strong practice in promoting excellence and reducing failure. We have a highly trained and highly motivated education workforce that is the envy of many nations across the world. However, much more could be done to support those vulnerable to disadvantage. Too many young people impacted by poverty continue to leave education underskilled and underqualified. Equally, the current system is not working for many children with special educational needs (SEN). Expenditure continues to grow, but planning is poor, with a focus on process rather than children. The panel was also particularly concerned that a prolonged period of action short of strike has resulted in a lack of performance data and an erosion of effective systems of school accountability. We need comprehensive measures of pupil and system performance to give better assurance to learners, parents and the taxpayer that money is being spent effectively and that the system is achieving its objectives.

The review report centres on 25 key recommendations underpinned by a further 106 areas for action. The watchword of the review is "reform". The key recommendations focus on reform and greater investment in early years provision; major reform of the curriculum, accompanied by greater ongoing investment; reform of statutory assessment to measure learners' progress throughout their educational journey; reform of the qualification system to meet the needs of learners and employers; reform of area planning to create an efficient network of schools where more learners are educated together; reform of service delivery for learners and schools, including a new approach to school improvement and the reorganisation of the Education Authority (EA); reform of SEN services, so that learners with additional needs receive tailored support at the earliest possible opportunity; and reform of the age of education participation, so that all children remain in education or training until they are 18 years of age. The panel stresses that all those reforms must be underpinned by significant investment in the workforce and a sustainable model of funding for our education system.

Together, the panel's recommendations form an important blueprint for the next two decades of educational improvement and reform. Today, I have published my Department's response to the report's recommendations. A copy has been provided to Members and laid in the Assembly Library. It is intended as a summary document setting out the direction of travel. You will note that I have accepted almost all the recommendations falling within my remit, though, in some areas, the approach to implementation may vary. The review clearly recognises that the report provides a longer-term framework for progressive reform and will require a plan for phased implementation. I am therefore drawing on the report today to set out my immediate priorities for the current mandate.

My priority is a sustained, evidence-based approach to the improvement of the education system that is focused on the core areas of curriculum, assessment, qualifications, school improvement and tackling educational disadvantage. Reform in each of those areas will be underpinned by investment in high-quality initial teacher education, teacher professional learning and leadership development, all wrapped, as the panel has recommended, in an intelligent accountability framework.

The curriculum is at the centre of every classroom, every school and, indeed, our entire education system. The independent review is clear: we have not invested sufficiently in curriculum review, advice or resources. That needs to change. High-quality curriculum design and content must be reinforced by strong implementation, enabled through high-quality teacher professional learning and excellent resources. I have therefore commissioned Lucy Crehan to carry out a focused, time-bound curriculum review that will examine curriculum design and delivery in Northern Ireland.

I want to ensure that every child is taught a broad, ambitious and knowledge-rich curriculum. As the panel's report highlights:

"Skills derive from the application of knowledge and understanding."

The panel is clear that:

"Without sufficient and relevant knowledge, children will not become the kind of contributors society needs."

All pupils, regardless of where they were born or how much money their parents have, deserve an education in the best that has been thought and said. Knowledge is transformational. A knowledge-rich curriculum has been demonstrated to reduce inequality in education by empowering children to acquire invaluable information, which inspires and motivates them beyond their own life experiences and develops their learning in a well-sequenced and explicit manner. By ensuring that all children have access to high-quality content, we can bridge the gaps in knowledge that often arise from socio-economic disparities. Such an approach will also provide our teachers with a clear progression framework and high-quality resources.

Curriculum review will be accompanied by a new literacy and numeracy strategy for Northern Ireland. There is a substantial body of evidence that demonstrates that systematic synthetic phonics is the most effective way of teaching children to read. We must ensure that our teachers are supported and guided on best practice throughout their careers.

Curriculum and assessment are two sides of the same coin. The independent panel described in detail how action short of strike had impacted on our education system, leaving us without effective measures of system, school and pupil performance. In line with the panel's recommendation, we will put in place arrangements to ensure that assessment takes place throughout a learner's time in school. My officials have therefore commenced an immediate review of assessment arrangements.

I also wish to begin a wide-ranging conversation on the future of our qualifications system. We need to ensure that qualifications are accessible; are fit for purpose; can be easily understood by pupils, parents and employers; and remain comparable with those in the rest of the United Kingdom. I will refine and improve accountability measures to remove perverse incentives for schools to enter pupils into low-value qualifications and instead reward schools for providing all pupils with a stretching curriculum.

Underpinning all the reforms is the need to support the education workforce effectively. Investment in teachers is at the heart of the panel's vision for education. No education system can be better than the quality of its teachers. The independent review is clear:

"For an education system to be excellent, it must prioritise investment in its [teachers] – enabling and promoting a culture of continuous improvement and collaboration."

We have not invested in professional development in a sustained and systematic fashion. In line with the panel's recommendation, I will invest in increased resources to support an effective and coherent approach to professional development. Teachers are demanding practical research that is relevant to their teaching practice, and we need to provide it. I want to support our teaching profession to be plugged into learning and thinking about pedagogy.

Over coming weeks, I will publish a clear and cohesive strategy for education that sets out in detail my plans for education transformation. I will also appoint a ministerial advisory panel made up of key individuals with national and international expertise to support the transformation of our education system. I am therefore delighted to announce today that, in line with the panel's recommendation and subject to Executive agreement, I will legislate to ensure that all children remain in education or training until they are 18 years old. Over 100 years ago, in 1918, the Education Act not only raised the compulsory school leaving age to 14 but included provision that all young people should participate in some form of education until they were 18. It is unacceptable that, in 2024, that is not the case. Participation in education beyond the age of 16 directly impacts on young people's life chances. Regrettably, a young person's background remains a key factor in whether they progress to post-16 education. Compulsory education or training ending at 16 is a remnant of a manufacturing society with many unskilled jobs that no longer exist. Jobs today require high levels of skill and education. By mandating education or training until 18, we can create a minimum offer for all young people, particularly our most vulnerable, and ensure that they have equity of opportunity and a structured pathway of support and guidance. That is a commitment to our young people and our future, and I ask all parties to work with me to make it a reality.

Before I conclude, I wish to reflect on the message at the very core of the review report: the need to adequately invest in education for the good of everyone in society. The report is clear that education has been and remains underfunded. The panel describes a financial crisis caused by:

"significant real-terms cuts over the past 13 years ... [which] are having a lasting and detrimental impact on learners."

The review has identified an annual gap of £155 million to address the per-pupil funding gap with England and Wales and a further £136 million shortfall to address the higher levels of support now required for learners with a statement of educational need. The report is clear that the legacy of historic underfunding needs to be reversed. I give you my commitment that increased investment will be accompanied by service reform, particularly in the areas of school improvement and special educational needs.

I say, therefore, to Members of all parties: let us commit ourselves to making education a top priority. It is the key to economic growth, social mobility, political stability and global competitiveness. What can be more important than the future of our children and society?

Investment in the education sector is crucial to building a prosperous and sustainable future. It is the foundation of all economic, social and political development. It is how we educate citizens and create social cohesion. By prioritising education funding, as an Executive and an Assembly, we are not just investing in the present but securing the future for generations to come. As the panel indicated, the more we invest, the quicker we can move forward. An old Chinese proverb states: "The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now." Be under no illusion. Investment in education requires urgency. We do not want to look back in 2044 and wish that we had acted differently. The time for action is now.

I reiterate my gratitude to everyone who contributed to the independent review. Their insights and perspectives have been invaluable in shaping the future of education in Northern Ireland. To the panel I say that their findings and recommendations will serve as a crucial guide as we move forward, ensuring that our education system is truly world-leading, excellent, equitable, inclusive and able to meet the needs of all children and young people in an ever-changing world.

I approach the task of reform with a sense of ambition and energy. I have set out, as a first phase of reform, a vision for educational excellence based on a renewal of curriculum, assessment, qualifications and school improvement with a relentless focus on tackling disadvantage. These elements, together, form the cornerstone of our education system. To keep pace with the best education systems in the world, we must refresh, adapt and renew, otherwise we risk stagnation and decline. To borrow from the review report:

"Education is the greatest investment any society makes in its own future. Responsible citizenship, prosperity and fulfilled lives depend on it."

I look forward, during the remainder of the mandate, to working with all representatives, parties and stakeholders to transform and improve education delivery in Northern Ireland.

Matthew O'Toole (Social Democratic and Labour Party, Belfast South)

Minister, there is lots in the independent review, lots in your response and, indeed, lots to support. I particularly single out the move to raise the leaving age to 18. That is an important step forward, and I commend you on it.

However, one thing that is not in the independent review at all is something that you have signalled an intention to do: to create a separate authority for controlled schools. You also said that the Education Authority had failed controlled schools. The independent review did not find that. Indeed, it said that the system should be simplified, and it wanted a specific directorate within the EA, rather than a new one to bring new complexity. Why are you doing something that contravenes what the independent review recommended for simplifying our education system rather than creating more complexity and more bureaucracy?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

I welcome Mr O'Toole's support for some of the recommendations that have been highlighted in the statement. That is important. The independent review touches on the Education Authority in comments and proposals in relation to that issue. It also reported its findings that the controlled sector is not getting the support that it needs. That proposal is evidence-based, and the independent review of education speaks to that particular issue.

The EA was also subject to a landscape review, which drew attention to "significant failings" and identified improvements that need to be made. My proposal in establishing a task force, which is now meeting and will report at the end of the year, is very much in line with the evidence that was highlighted, both by the landscape review and through the independent review of education, that documents failings that exist in that organisation, particularly in relation to the controlled sector.

Nick Mathison (Alliance, Strangford)

I thank the Minister for his statement. It is particularly welcome as, in the New Decade, New Approach agreement, there was a strong emphasis by the Alliance Party on the need to bring forward this review. We welcome the statement.

What is notable is that he is taking forward many welcome recommendations. However, I note what he is not taking forward, among which are the recommendations around transition, particularly on the post-primary transfer process. Given that the ending of that process could have a key role in improving pupil well-being and tackling educational disadvantage, will the Minister outline the rationale for not taking forward those recommendations of the panel? Will we be looking at another mandate in which this issue is, yet again, kicked into the long grass?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

The Chairman acknowledges that a lot of these recommendations are worthy of support, and I look forward to engaging with him and the Committee as we take forward the measures that I have announced today. Obviously, the independent review touches on the transfer process. It recognises the political contention that has surrounded that issue for many years. The transfer test is not the most important part of our education system, yet it has attracted the most political debate. I am interested in making progress in areas where we can achieve political consensus rather than continuing to talk about an issue where it has been shown that there has been contention for many years. That is why the focus is on the measures that I have outlined today that I want to take forward around the curriculum and supporting that review to make sure that what is being taught in every school matters. How we support teachers in every school matters, rather than going round in circles on the particular issue of the transfer test.

Danny Baker (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

Minister, in reference to your answer to the Chair, I think that it is very important that you come to the Education Committee as soon as possible to really delve into some of the issues in the statement. How do you intend to include young people with special educational needs, given that many educational settings are already under-resourced or have no suitable provision for those young people?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

I have attended the Education Committee more than Conor Murphy has attended the Economy Committee.

Some Members

Hear, hear.

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

I have attended the Education Committee twice as many times as one of your own Ministers has attended his Department's Committee. I have attended the Committee more than the leader of the Alliance Party has attended her Department's Committee. I am quite happy to attend the Committee. I am sure that we will be able to find a space in the diary where we can accommodate that. I realise that the Committee is very busy dealing with its inquiry into relationships and sexuality education and has had a lengthy consultation period now extended. Whilst its priority is on a very niche area that principals actually do not raise with me as an area of concern, I would love the Committee to get involved in special educational needs in much more detail. I would like it to get more focused on the curriculum, qualifications and supporting our workforce rather than pursuing the Alliance Party's pet project around sex education.

I will be happy to engage with the Committee on these issues. The transformation of special educational needs is absolutely critical. That is why I announced a change in how we approach capital spend for special schools. All 39 are being assessed as to how we can enhance that provision. That is why my focus was on establishing 1,450 placements for children who require additional support. We achieved that, and those placements are being filled. That was the day-1 pressure that I had to take up, so I very much welcome a renewed focus on the Education Committee wanting to support me in those areas, and I look forward to engaging with it on them.

David Brooks (DUP, Belfast East)

I thank the Minister for the proposals that he has laid out today. It is an ambitious plan to progress our education system. Does the Minister feel that the education system in Northern Ireland is properly funded?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

Do not take my word for it; the independent review of education indicated very clearly that we are not properly funded. Indeed, the per pupil spend in Northern Ireland is not equivalent to that of England. Addressing the financial deficit will be a real challenge for the Executive. I have advocated on many occasions for the additional financial resources that we need. We successfully resolved industrial action, but that has a resource consequential that needs to be met. That is not just a challenge for the Executive. I recognise that every Department has pressures. We need to have a proper financial settlement from Westminster. We have identified the fiscal needs that exist, and we need to have those met. That will assist every Department, but Education in particular has been underfunded for many years. If we are going to invest in the future, we need to invest in the Department of Education.

Colin Crawford (UUP, North Antrim)

I thank the Minister for his statement. He will be aware that Castle Tower School in my constituency has recently had to expand into the former Ballee High School site due to increasing need. Minister, will young people between 16 and 18 who have a special educational need also be included, and what additional resources will be available?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

The Member speaks to the wider issue of how we support children and young people aged 16 to 18, including those with additional needs. Of course, we have to support young people until the age of 18 to 19 in special schools, but there are concerns about the transition period when they move from Education to other Departments, including the Department of Health. It is vital that that transition is addressed, and work streams are taking place to try to address the concerns. Members have highlighted, as an area of concern, how we can support young people, particularly those with additional needs, with the transition years.

Peter Martin (DUP, North Down)

I thank the Minister for his statement. His Department has already engaged in some really good work around early intervention and early years, which was a recommendation from the independent review. Does the Minister have any plans to do more in those areas in the rest of the mandate?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

The Member brings me to an important area. It is one of the key measures that, as I have highlighted, we need to address in the rest of this mandate: educational underachievement. 'A Fair Start' highlighted a number of areas where support is needed. The funding that we have secured to take forward the RAISE programme will be very important in addressing educational underachievement. That requires a whole-community response. We have appointed the area coordinators in each of the areas, and people are being invited to workshops to design that response. As they design that whole-community response, decisions will be taken on funding. No decisions have been made yet on what should be funded in respect of the RAISE programme, because we are designing the particular projects that will be supported in the areas where it plans to operate.

Pat Sheehan (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

Gabhaim buíochas leis an Aire as a ráiteas.

[Translation: I thank the Minister for his statement.]

In light of the Minister's announcement this morning that young people will have to remain in education or training until they are 18, will he tell us what discussions he has had, and what work he has done, with the Minister for the Economy? Will he also tell us when he will come to the Committee to discuss these issues, given that he has already informed us that he will not be available until 2025?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

I refer the Member to a previous question from Mr Baker about appearing before the Committee. I have made the point —

Pat Sheehan (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

I am interested in you, Minister.

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

I am glad the Member is actually here, because he has spent more time sniping when I have not been in the Chamber. At least, now, he is doing it in front of me. It is of no surprise that that is how the Member conducts himself.

When it comes the issues that he raised around how we engage across the Executive, he is right. This will require other Departments to respond. I am outlining my Department's response to these issues, but others will also need to respond. Some recommendations sit exclusively outside my Department and are for other Ministers — the Minister for the Economy is one of those.

On how we meet the needs of young people aged from 16 to 18, obviously, we have the formal settings of sixth forms in schools, but we also have higher educational colleges. Creating the pathways will be important. If you look at how this was taken forward in England, you will see that 20 hours were required in addition to employment. That can be met through apprenticeships and traineeships and in educational settings. We need to take forward the legislation first. That will require Executive agreement, and all Ministers will have to engage in that process. Then, we will need to find a way to give effect to and implement that. When the legislation in England was introduced, it gave a very clear focus to Departments to collaborate. It gave a priority in law that education is important. This sends out a powerful message that the Assembly and Executive recognise how critical it is for 16-, 17- and 18-year-olds to be engaged in training. There are consequences of not staying in education. Whilst 85% of 16- to-18-year-olds stay on in some form of education or training, a minority do not, and, typically, they come from more socially deprived backgrounds. Therefore, their opportunity to develop and their economic potential as they get older are greatly disadvantaged. That is why taking forward the steps that were announced today is very important.

Kate Nicholl (Alliance, Belfast South)

I thank the Minister for his statement and answers. When I was on the Education Committee, we heard from the independent panel, and there was an acknowledgement that special educational needs were a priority for the Committee, so I take exception to the implication that the Committee did not care about that.

Will the Minister say what the specific timeline will be for the work on curriculum, which was a priority of the panel? What engagement will there be on that? How broad will the scope be, and will it include early years careers education for primary-school children, for example? Will he give a sense of what the curriculum review will be?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

I have laid out in more detail the scope of the terms of reference for the curriculum review that Lucy Crehan will take forward. Time will be needed for that, but the time frame is for a report to be provided in the spring of next year. I have highlighted key areas around literacy and numeracy that I would like immediate focus on. The curriculum review is important.

I know that Ms Nicholl is no longer on the Committee. I will miss her being there. We worked closely on the childcare strategy, the delivery of which was important. I take assurance from the Member that the Education Committee wants to move on to broader issues, having announced as its first priority an inquiry into relationships and sexuality education (RSE). It could have announced that its first inquiry would be on the curriculum or special educational needs: it did not. It chose to focus on an area that principals do not raise with me, and it did so because of an agenda that the Alliance Party wants to pursue. It is a welcome development that the Education Committee and the Alliance Party want to move away from that issue and get into substantive issues that impact on the most important people in our society.

Jonathan Buckley (DUP, Upper Bann)

Minister, the headline in the statement is that you will legislate to ensure that children will remain in education or training until they are 18 years old. Are there specific case studies that the Minister or, indeed, the independent review panel looked at to suggest that that delivers the best outcomes? Will the Minister estimate how many young people would be affected by that change?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

I will take the last point first. The number impacted is about 15%. Of Northern Ireland's school-leavers, 85% entered higher or further education post 16, and about 11% commenced employment. The proposal will promote the value of education. Other jurisdictions have adopted a similar approach. It is vital that we take that step. It will take a number of years to give effect to it, but, as Education Minister, I support the principle behind the recommendation.

I will take legislative proposals to my Executive colleagues, and we will then need to implement them. When it was introduced in England 10 years ago, a positive impact was shown in the reduction in the number of post-16 school-leavers who did not engage in formal education or training. That is important. People often talk about "NEETs" — those who are not in education, employment or training — and efforts are made to address the issue of NEETs, but giving effect to the legislation will really focus Departments on their legal requirements to get into the issue in a better way than we have done.

Cathy Mason (Sinn Féin, South Down)

Minister, you referenced the recommendation about reform and greater investment in early years provision, and you went on to highlight the work that you will do on professional development. Will that include the professionalisation of the early years sector, which desperately requires support with its workforce recruitment and retention?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

That is a really good question. The Executive can point to the early years strategy that we are taking forward as something that, collectively, we have worked on well together. The Finance Minister very much supported the proposals that I brought to the Executive. We have been rolling out the childcare subsidy scheme, which is a £25 million programme that we are developing as the next stage in the process of supporting the early years sector. When it comes to the overall strategy that we need to develop, I hope that, around the spring of 2025, we will announce a draft strategy that will cover a lot of the issues, including how we can support the workforce in those early years settings.

Alan Chambers (UUP, North Down)

Minister, I welcome the fact that you have commissioned a curriculum review. Will any recommendations from the review be subject to any level of public consultation? Will you, Minister, be the final arbiter when signing off on any of those recommendations?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

As part of the process, Lucy Crehan's review will have to engage with all the key stakeholders. It is not intended to be a lengthy or protracted piece of work. The independent review was a two-year process and is a strong evidence base for the recommendations. As the curriculum review is taken forward, there will, of course, l be stakeholder engagement. Yes, what the revised curriculum looks like across Northern Ireland will, ultimately, come back to the Department, and the earlier phase is about literacy and numeracy. Yes, it will come back to me as the Minister for final sign-off.

Cheryl Brownlee (DUP, East Antrim)

I thank the Minister for his statement. The Minister mentioned the need to value our workforce and the need to attract and, of course, retain teachers. Will the Minister seek to maintain parity with teachers' pay and conditions in the rest of the UK?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

The Member highlights, as I laboured in the statement, the point that we will be only as good as the excellent teachers whom we have. We need to invest in our teachers. We need to be able to recruit the best people into the profession, and we need to retain people in the profession. We will do that only with the right terms and conditions. That is why I was pleased to have a very early engagement with the unions. We resolved the industrial action. We had a double-figure percentage increase in pay, and action short of strike ended. What is important is that we see the outworkings of that process. We need to stand up the assessment processes in schools, so what we can measure what we do, which will inform any changes that we need to make. That is important.

Pay parity is important. We know that, in England, there has been a 5·5% increase in teachers' pay. I want to take that forward in our discussions with the unions, but, of course, how we work through the various public-sector pay processes that we need to come to decisions on this year is a wider matter for the Northern Ireland Executive. I very much recognise that society has to show the value that we place on the teaching profession and on our support staff, who will start on their new terms and conditions in November. Again, that successfully resolved the industrial action that had been disruptive to the education of our young people.

Michelle Guy (Alliance, Lagan Valley)

At the Education Committee last week, I asked when we could expect the Department's response to the independent review, so it is great to see an initial response today. I also welcome it that the Minister will come to the Committee soon. I also noted at the Committee that he had a propensity to launch political tirades when answering Alliance Party questions, and I see that he is continuing that today.

Can the Minister confirm that there will be a "SEN first" model for school placements? When will that be in place?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

This shows the powerful impact that the Member's contribution had on me at the Committee: within a week of asking for a response, she got it. I like to respond to Members as effectively and efficiently as possible, and I am sure that that will continue to be the case.

The transformation of special educational needs is hugely important. There were 200 recommendations in the end-to-end review, and I am pulling together a delivery plan, because we need to identify not just the issues but the solutions and how we put actions in place. I hope that, in the not-too-distant future, we will have an effective delivery plan to take forward the changes that we need in special educational needs provision. It touches on the matter that the Member raised about placement and the timeliness of placement. We do not want to be faced with the situation that we have had for two years in a row of still trying, coming into September, to get children and young people into a school. We need to make sure that it is the right school, but it has to be provided at the right time as well.

Colin McGrath (Social Democratic and Labour Party, South Down)

The Executive Office strategy to end violence against women and girls cites RSE as an incredibly important tool to help reduce such violence. Given the weeks that are in it, we should try to depoliticise and not trivialise such matters.

Minister, will you commit to ensuring that further education colleges and schools work together to ensure that there are increased pathways for children and young people on their educational journey? Too often, those two sectors compete with each other, which causes duplication and reduces the offer that is available.

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

I agree with the Member. That is why I provided advice around RSE. That is why my Department is very much part of the Executive-agreed strategy for ending violence against women and girls. The strategy provides clear recommendations for my Department, and I will very much take those forward.

The Member raises the issue of collaboration. The report speaks to the need for much better collaboration on what the pathways for 16- to 18-year-olds will look like. When it comes to careers advice, you have careers advice in schools, and then you have the Careers Service in the Department for the Economy. I met Minister Murphy about this. We have a 14-19 framework when it comes to careers advice. We hope to make progress on the issue to ensure that there is that collaboration.

The Member is right. Education has many different parts that are not meant to be in competition with one another, whatever the sector is. We have many sectors in education: Irish medium, controlled, Catholic maintained and integrated. They are not to sit in competition with one another: they are to collaborate with one another. I believe in an inclusive education system, but I also believe in choice. That is a fundamental human right that is underpinned by the European Convention on Human Rights. However, that should not mean they are competing in the education system; it ought to mean that they work in collaboration. A school should reflect the community that is around it. If there are barriers to attracting individuals to a school, how is the school working to address those barriers? I very much support the tenet of the Member's question on the need for much greater collaboration, which is necessary.

Stephen Dunne (DUP, North Down)

I thank the Minister for his statement. Will he provide some more detail on the curriculum review and, in particular, how better outcomes can be achieved on literacy and numeracy?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

I have spoken about the curriculum review on a couple of occasions. Work started today. I have announced publicly who will take that forward for me. The report will come to me in due course, and then we will see the outworkings of the review. It is absolutely vital that we look at how the curriculum is delivered as children and young people progress through education. If you have a rich, knowledge-based understanding of a subject matter, you grow in confidence and develop skills that you can then utilise to put into effect, in a practical sense, the outworkings of that knowledge. You develop those skills through a knowledge-based approach. That is where the curriculum review will help. It will assess our current curriculum and what changes we need to make to it.

Sian Mulholland (Alliance, North Antrim)

Thank you, Minister, for your answers so far. We have waited 10 years for the online careers portal, and progress on the 14-19 framework has been heavily criticised in a Northern Ireland Audit Office report on skills. What is the Minister planning to do to get that back on track?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

I touched on that issue briefly. My Department and the Department for the Economy are working on the 14-19 framework. I met Minister Murphy about that. Our officials are engaging and are finalising an updated framework. That is to make sure that the careers advice that is being provided in schools and colleges aligns and that it aligns with the needs of the wider business community and with what our economy needs from the young people who are coming forward. It is about giving that advice at the right time. It is important that that advice is provided as early as possible, because young people pick their GCSE subjects in year 11 on the basis of conversations that they have already had with family and friends about the kind of job that they want. The provision of careers advice at 17 is too late for many young people, given that they will have already chosen their subjects. We therefore need to provide that advice as early as possible, but it needs to be aligned between the two Departments and with the needs of our economy as a whole.

Brian Kingston (DUP, Belfast North)

I welcome the Minister's important statement and the key areas for reform that he has identified. Can he say more about the basis for increasing the age of participation in education and training to 18?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

The evidence around why we need to move on that issue is very clear. For a small minority, there is a disproportionate impact on economic outlook in life and potential if we do not provide greater training and support to them. I have covered that point in previous answers on why we are changing the age limit.

Deborah Erskine (DUP, Fermanagh and South Tyrone)

I thank the Minister for his statement. He mentioned reform of area planning. What does he envisage will be involved in that reform? Will there be a rural needs assessment, with the engagement of the community?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

That is an important question. The independent review talks in detail about what a sustainable school looks like and what kind of offering it should make. In Northern Ireland, the development proposal (DP) process for how we consider the way in which schools can increase their enrolment or which schools should open, close or transform can be quite bureaucratic and often takes a long time. A task force will be established to look at area planning and the DP process in particular to see how we can better align the decisions that we take on how we meet the educational needs in communities.

Timothy Gaston (Traditional Unionist Voice, North Antrim)

Minister, classroom assistants play a vital role in the education of many children, yet they merit no mention in your statement, and your Department's response to the review talks merely about reducing their number. What will you do for that vital sector of the education community, particularly for their security of employment and proper pay, an issue identified in paragraph 1.35 of volume 2 of the 'Independent Review of Education in Northern Ireland'?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

Classroom assistants play an important role; absolutely. That is why I engaged with the unions, successfully resolved industrial action and secured a pay rise for classroom assistants and other support staff. I gave priority to addressing the issue. I did not wait until today's announcement of the review to get on with the job for the past eight months; I have been getting on with the job. Pay scales will be put in place in November and payments will be made to classroom assistants, because they are vital in our education system. I pay tribute to them, but it would be remiss not to explore how we can improve the model of support for children on the basis of a child-centred approach that considers the individual needs of the child.

I do not envisage the removal of classroom assistants. I agree with the panel's view that classroom assistants play a vital role in supporting learners and teachers but that a blanket use of classroom assistants can be inappropriate. Interventions and support should be needs-based and focused on the individual learner. That is an area where we need to make sure how best to support our children and young people, but I absolutely agree that classroom assistants play an important role, and I put on record my appreciation and thanks to them for the job that they do.

Gerry Carroll (People Before Profit Alliance, Belfast West)

I thank the Minister. I hope that the Loyalist Communities Council was not forewarned about his announcement and that it had no role in shaping it.

On raising the age of educational participation, what work has the Minister done to secure extra funding for schools and colleges, including education support workers, and to support implementing a living wage for apprentices, who are paid far too little?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

Perhaps the Member did not hear the responses to questions on the statement or chooses to ignore them. I engaged with the trade unions. As a socialist, he should thank me for what I was able to do with them. I met them. I sat down with them and talked through the issues. We resolved industrial action. I achieved a double-figure percentage pay rise for teachers. I am sure that Mr Carroll will put out a statement commending me for that. I resolved industrial action for our classroom assistants. Their new terms and conditions start in November. Perhaps the Member did not hear that, but hopefully he has heard the message today. I champion and support our teaching profession and our classroom assistants. That is why I have achieved real increases in their pay.

Claire Sugden (Independent, East Londonderry)

The Minister has acknowledged that there is a cliff edge at 18 years for those with special educational needs. Is there scope to extend his proposed legislation for those with special education needs, not necessarily to compel them to stay in education to an older age but to enable them to do so where a special school is the right setting for their needs?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

I thank the Member for raising that, because it is a genuine concern for families. I have met a number of families who are concerned about that cliff edge. It is absolutely important that the right support is provided at the right time for children and young people, and various Departments have legal responsibilities in that regard. The solution should not be that simply because people are concerned that the Department of Health cannot meet the need, the Department of Education has to meet the need. Whichever Department is legally responsible should meet the need. As things are prescribed in law, we have a legal responsibility until the age of 19, and, then, other Departments have a legal responsibility. We are involved in that transition process.

If Members and families are saying that they do not have confidence in the Department of Health and others, but that they do have confidence in the Department of Education, we need to ask this hard question: why are they not getting the support from the Departments that, under the law, should be providing them with the support? It is an important point, because it is real for the families concerned. I absolutely believe that the right transition process is needed, but simply putting up, as the solution, that the Department of Education becomes legally responsible until the age of 25 needs to be explored. We need to ask why we do not have confidence in the current system and why we would campaign for that change.

Pádraig Delargy (Sinn Féin, Foyle)

I thank the Minister for his statement. I welcome a number of the recommendations that you have brought forward. I appreciate that the issue has been touched on, but I want to go into a wee bit more detail on your recommendation for an additional managing authority. I would like a better understanding of that. You flagged up some of your concerns. I am keen to understand why those could not have been dealt with by the Education Authority. Surely, attempts to deal with those concerns within the Education Authority would have been the preliminary step and, if they did not work, then progress to other steps. Will you provide more detail on that?

Paul Givan (DUP, Lagan Valley)

I appreciate the Member raising the issue. The independent review highlights the real challenges that the EA has, structurally, as an organisation. I know that when Members receive a call from the principal of a school, they are frustrated to hear about the length of time that it can often take for the EA to do what it needs to do when it comes to maintenance programmes and taking forward feasibility studies for enhancement schemes. Furthermore, the EA has a unique and distinct role for controlled schools. The Catholic maintained sector has its Council for Catholic Maintained Schools (CCMS). That does not exist for the controlled sector; it has the EA. The EA provides services to all schools, but it has a distinct role as the managing authority when it comes to area planning for controlled schools, which does not exist for other sectors. There is an evidence base that highlights why there is a challenge and problem with that arrangement.

Let us allow the task force that has been set up to produce its report. I have challenged it to do that by the end of this year. Its work will include looking at what interim steps the EA could make to address the concerns as we move towards trying to establish a managing authority for controlled schools. The premise of taking this forward is evidence-based, but also grounded in equality. I hope that we do not get to the point where Members will say, "It's OK for the Catholic maintained sector to have its managing authority, but we're not going to let the controlled sector do it". People would see through that argument.

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

That concludes questions to the Minister.

Nick Mathison (Alliance, Strangford)

On a point of order, Mr Speaker. I note that comments have been made by the Minister in relation to the work of the Education Committee. I would like the Speaker to make a ruling on the need for Ministers to be accurate in their statements in the Chamber around the work of Committees. He said that the RSE inquiry that is running is a "pet project" of the Alliance Party. It was voted for, unanimously, by all members of the Education Committee, including members from his party. The Minister will be aware that we are hearing evidence from his Department on the key issues discussed today, including tackling educational underachievement and special educational needs —

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

Can we get to the point of order, please, because it is not going to be an opportunity —.

Nick Mathison (Alliance, Strangford)

— and he will be aware of the —.

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

Order. It is not an opportunity to make a statement. If you want to make a point of order, make a point of order by all means, but we are not getting into a lengthy statement.

Nick Mathison (Alliance, Strangford)

To conclude, the Minister is aware of the Committee's strategic priorities, which, again, have all been touched on today, so I am asking whether a ruling can be made on the need for the Hansard report to be accurate when Ministers refer to the work of the Committees.

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

I am happy to look at the issue. It may not be something that I need to get involved in, but I am happy to look at it and give a ruling in due course.

I ask Members to take their ease while the Chair changes for the next item of business.

(Mr Deputy Speaker [Mr Blair] in the Chair)

Executive Committee Business

Aisling Reilly (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

I beg to move

That the draft Period Products (the Executive Office Specified Public Service Bodies) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2024 be approved.

John Blair (Alliance, South Antrim)

The Business Committee has agreed that there should be no time limit for the debate.

Aisling Reilly (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

Today, we seek the Assembly's approval of the draft Period Products (the Executive Office Specified Public Service Bodies) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2024. The introduction of the draft regulations is required under the Period Products (Free Provision) Act (Northern Ireland) 2022, which began as a private Member's Bill that was sponsored by former SDLP MLA Pat Catney.

The draft regulations mark another important step in the journey to making universal access to period products a reality for all who need them. They will complement similar legislation from other Departments. That will mean that more arm's-length bodies will make free period products available to all staff and visitors who need to use them while on their premises. In due course, each body will carry out its own consultation exercise and publish statements on the arrangements that they will put in place. I thank those bodies for their cooperation to date.

The draft regulations sit alongside the Executive Office's separate duty under the Act to make period products publicly available. Our officials have worked with Libraries NI to ensure that period products are freely available in all public libraries for anyone who needs them. Junior Minister Cameron and I were delighted to attend the launch of that scheme in May this year, and we understand that feedback on that has been positive. We thank the Executive Office Committee for its prompt scrutiny of the draft regulations.

Paula Bradshaw (Alliance, Belfast South)

The Committee considered the draft regulations at its meeting on 11 September 2024. The Committee accepted that the draft Period Products (the Executive Office Specified Public Service Bodies) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2024 are a technical piece of legislation to designate the relevant public service bodies that are required to make available free period products. The Committee had no concerns about the draft regulations and was content for them to progress.

At its meeting on 9 October 2024, the Committee considered the final version of the draft regulations, which did not differ from the draft that had been presented in September. The Committee therefore recommends that the draft Period Products (the Executive Office Specified Public Service Bodies) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2024 be approved by the Assembly.

Emma Sheerin (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

I welcome the draft regulations. As referred to by the junior Minister and the Chair of the Executive Office Committee, a lot of work has already been done on this important piece of legislation. It would be remiss of me to not honour the work of former MLA Pat Catney, who invested a lot of time and energy in the issue. It is a good example of how we can deliver for people when we all work together across the House. In so doing, we tackle a real struggle for women, particularly women who are living in poverty. It gets to one of the intersectional elements of discrimination against women and girls.

The regulations will bring some ease to people's daily lives. At one of the most challenging times in any woman's life, they will make women's lives that wee bit easier, and that is to be welcomed.

John Blair (Alliance, South Antrim)

I call junior Minister Reilly to conclude and make her winding-up speech on the debate.

Aisling Reilly (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I thank Members for their contributions. The regulations mark a further step in the implementation of the Period Products (Free Provision) Act 2022. As I stated in my opening remarks, the regulations will sit alongside the Executive Office's separate duty under the 2022 Act to make period products publicly available.

As I stated, Libraries NI, in partnership with our Department, has been making products available for people to take home since May 2024. It also allows for others to collect products for someone else who needs them. The regulations will ensure that staff and visitors in TEO's arm's-length bodies are able to avail themselves of free products, if they need them while on those premises.

Once the regulations are made, there are several further steps that the Executive Office and its arm's-length bodies will need to complete. First, the Department will consult the relevant bodies on the guidance to be issued. Arm's-length bodies will then consult their product users on the ways in which products can be obtained, where they will be located and the types of products that will be available. Following that, the ALBs will publish a statement on the arrangements that are to be put in place.

ALBs will be required to make sure that products are made available in a way that respects the dignity, privacy and confidentiality of the person accessing the free products. Those who may need the products — any person who menstruates — should, therefore, be able to pick them up, without having to ask someone, from an accessible location in the ALB's premises: for example, from a disabled bathroom. Arm's-length bodies will also be required to consider using environmentally friendly, sustainable or biodegradable products. The 2022 Act also requires that those bodies have regard to products that are reusable.

Our officials have been liaising with the arm's-length bodies as to how the regulations will be implemented, and I am pleased to report that the Department's ALBs have fully embraced the scheme. In advance of the regulations coming into effect, all our ALBs have undertaken to make free period products available on a pilot basis. That will, no doubt, assist them in establishing arrangements as required by the 2022 Act. Our Department has also undertaken to make free period products available to its staff and visitors. Our officials, working with the ALBs, estimate the costs to be negligible, and it is likely that those costs will be absorbed within the arm's-length bodies' existing baselines. Our officials will also monitor the roll-out of the scheme in our ALBs and the wider provision in public libraries to ensure that those who wish to access products can do so.

To clarify, the arm's-length bodies will make free period products available for those who need them, such as employees or visitors, while on their premises. On the other hand, public libraries are providing products for everyone who needs them. It is still early days for the scheme, but the feedback has already been very positive, and we are confident that it will benefit our citizens' well-being and promote period dignity. I thank Members for the support that they have signalled for the regulations, and I commend the regulations to the Assembly.

Question put and agreed to.

Resolved:

That the draft Period Products (the Executive Office Specified Public Service Bodies) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2024 be approved.

John Blair (Alliance, South Antrim)

The next item of business is a motion to approve a draft statutory rule. I will give the Minister a moment to arrive, as we have moved slightly ahead of time. I ask Members to take their ease for a moment or two.

Conor Murphy (Sinn Féin, Newry and Armagh)

I beg to move

That the draft Renewable Heat Incentive Scheme (Amendment) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2024 be approved.

John Blair (Alliance, South Antrim)

The Business Committee has agreed that there should be no time limit on the debate.

Conor Murphy (Sinn Féin, Newry and Armagh)

I seek the Assembly's approval of the draft Renewable Heat Incentive Scheme (Amendment) Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2024. The 'New Decade, New Approach' document, which was published in 2020, states:

"RHI will be closed down and replaced by a scheme that effectively cuts carbon emissions."

The current Executive have agreed to the closure of the scheme, with an interim increase in tariffs. That decision was taken by the First Minister and deputy First Minister over the summer and under urgent procedure. The scheme closure will include a payment mechanism that is fair to scheme participants and to the public purse. Work is ongoing to develop the proposals. When that work has been completed, I will bring the matter back to the Executive and, subsequently, to the Assembly for approval.

The draft legislation relates to the interim increase in tariffs. The current tariffs for small and medium biomass boilers were introduced in 2019 using information that was available at that time. However, substantial volatility in fuel prices means that it is appropriate to increase the tariff. The draft regulations therefore substitute a new schedule 5 into the principle regulations, the effect of which will be to increase tariffs for accredited biomass boilers within the small, lower-medium and upper-medium biomass bands from 1 November 2024.

The tariffs represent a significant increase: for example, the tier-1 tariff, for owners of lower-medium biomass installations — a group that represents the vast majority of boiler owners — will be uplifted from 2·1p per kilowatt-hour to 5·1p per kilowatt-hour. That is over double the current tariff and an increase of in the region of £5,000 per annum for a typical participant in that band.

The revised tariffs are based on updated assumptions. In particular, fuel cost assumptions have been based on a fuel reference period over a number of years, as opposed to a spot price, in an attempt to provide greater accuracy.

It is important that the higher tariffs are introduced and are in place from 1 November in time for the winter period. If the tariffs are not in place by 1 November, the next opportunity to increase them will be well into 2025. I hope that Members agree that enabling participants of the scheme to benefit this winter is an urgent priority. The increase is calculated in a way that is fair to the taxpayer and scheme participants. I hope that Members agree to provide those participants with a substantial uplift to the tariffs as we work towards the scheme's closure.

Phillip Brett (DUP, Belfast North)

As the House is aware, the draft statutory rule (SR) deals with the tariffs to be paid to biomass boiler owners under the non-domestic renewable heat incentive (RHI) scheme. In order to enhance its understanding of the regulations, the Committee considered oral and written evidence from the Renewable Heat Association and the Department for the Economy on two occasions.

On 25 September 2024, when the Renewable Heat Association gave evidence, Committee members noted that the 2,000 or so good-faith boiler owners were reportedly compliant with audit requirements and with the terms of the RHI scheme. As the Minister indicated in his remarks, the draft rule will amend the Renewable Heat Incentive Scheme Regulations (Northern Ireland) 2012 in order to more than double the tariff for the tier-1 support payments to compliant and accredited small and medium biomass installations. The increases are for heat that is generated from 1 November 2024, and the proposed rule will fix the tariffs until the end of March 2025. Those tariffs will then be adjusted in line with the consumer prices index. It is anticipated that primary legislation will be introduced to terminate the RHI scheme, but that matter is not before the House this afternoon.

The Committee considered evidence from the Department on 11 and 25 September 2024 and noted a draft report on the departmental consultation from 2021. The Department advised that the final consultation report would be published when the primary legislation to terminate the scheme was introduced.

Members noted that the Department estimated that the revised tariffs would increase the cost of the scheme from £5 million to £15 million per annum. They noted that that was well within the £33 million of annually managed expenditure (AME) that is ring-fenced for renewables. The Committee was thus assured, on that issue, that the proposed tariff increase would not lead to increased liability against the Northern Ireland block grant. As indicated, the proposed revised tariffs apply from 1 November only and not from 2019 to the present. The Department indicated that a public interest business case was not made for backdating revised tariffs to cover that period.

The revised 2024 tariffs covered by the rule appear to be based on the Cornwall Insight reports that were used in 2023-24, with kerosene prices as the counterfactual, which was then adjusted with the consumer prices index. I must be clear, however, that the Department has not provided detailed clarity on the economic viability of the new tariffs. The Department also declined to provide comparison with GB RHI tariffs, citing complexity and scheme differences and declined to confirm whether any unspent AME could be used for other renewable energy purposes, citing the need for Treasury approval.

The Department indicated that the revised tariffs would generate an internal rate of return (IRR) of 12%. It appears that the methodology for calculating that IRR for the revised tariff is either not the same as that adopted when the non-domestic scheme was originally launched or has been greatly affected by relative changes in fuel cost. However, the Department has not specified whether the IRR calculation of the 2012 tariff using the 2024 methodology would or would not have been in excess of state aid rules.

The Committee noted the importance of the careful consideration of this complex matter relating to RHI tariffs, the value for money in allowing the relevant parties the opportunity to set out their views so as to inform Committee deliberations and departmental assurances that the proposed rule would likely meet legal challenges while providing a fair settlement for good-faith boiler owners and value for taxpayers.

Members indicated their dissatisfaction with the absence of detailed answers. However, the Committee agreed that the matter be brought, with the regulations, to the Assembly for debate and wider scrutiny and that any member of the Committee had the ability to oppose the delegated legislation in plenary.

I will speak briefly as DUP economics spokesperson and MLA for North Belfast. The RHI inquiry found that documents and advice provided to Ministers were often inaccurate, incomplete or misleading in important aspects. It also cited concerns about skill gaps and questionable financial literacy in some Departments. In that context, it is essential that we take our obligations in scrutinising draft regulations extremely seriously.

The Democratic Unionist Party is not satisfied that the Department for the Economy has provided the necessary information to allow Assembly Members to make an informed judgement on whether the proposed tariffs are legally sound, provide a fair and reasonable return for scheme participants or protect the public purse. We want to see an outcome that balances the rights of scheme participants with the requirement to provide effective stewardship of public funds. That will not be achieved by pressing ahead with regulations and revised tariffs that lack clarity or full scrutiny.

The Court of Appeal judgement in February 2023 was clear and expressed a clear preference that any settlement on future tariffs should be on a consensual basis. The DUP regrets that that has not happened to date. Ultimately, changes to the RHI regulations must be robust and justifiable. We are clear that Assembly Members should have access to greater detail on how tariffs in the regulations were calculated, including the metrics used by officials and the steps taken to ensure that they are legally defensible. It is our careful assessment, following deliberations, that the proposals should be withdrawn by the Minister to afford space and time for further scrutiny. The Department needs to be open and transparent about this policy development. In the absence of that, the Democratic Unionist Party will not vote for the regulations.

Sinéad McLaughlin (Social Democratic and Labour Party, Foyle)

I and my party have deep concerns regarding the draft RHI scheme regulations 2024 and will therefore vote against them. The Northern Ireland (Regional Rates and Energy) Act 2019 outlined a commitment to a 12% average rate of return, yet the new tariff falls short. We know all too well the deficiencies of the RHI scheme. It was poorly designed from the start and did serious damage to public trust in the institutions. However, for the many operators, we cannot allow the overall failure of the scheme to allow government to act with impunity on the issue. Businesses invested in the scheme in good faith, and we must reach an agreement on the way forward that is also fair to them. The tariff fails to account for capital and operational expenses adequately and uses 2020 as a baseline, ignoring the significant inflation and energy price hikes since late 2021. That oversight threatens to leave many scheme participants running at a deficit. The regulations do not address years of under-compensation, and there is no provision for backdating payments or incorporating past losses into the new rates. Those failures leave many who invested in good faith in renewable heating feeling short-changed and betrayed.

A central issue is the lack of transparency. In 2021, a consultation was held to chart the future of the RHI scheme, but, as we know, its findings remain unpublished. We are now asked to support regulations without having seen the consultation results. How can we make an informed decision when the evidence base is hidden from us? That not only undermines public trust but raises serious questions about due process.

We have learnt hard lessons from the original RHI scheme, which suffered from poor design and excessive financial incentives, yet we are here again, potentially repeating the same mistakes. Just last week, the Northern Ireland Audit Office condemned the dither and delay in implementing the recommendations from the RHI public inquiry. Now, we face new regulations that seem to ignore those hard-earned lessons.

I urge Members to consider the consequences of supporting the amendment. It risks breaching commitments that were made to investors in renewable energy and undermines our progress towards a net zero transition. The RHI scheme's history is a painful reminder of the dangers of rushing legislation without proper oversight. Let us not allow history to repeat itself. We must demand transparency, accountability and a fair deal for all participants as well as for all taxpayers.

John Blair (Alliance, South Antrim)

I call Pádraig Delargy. I remind the Member that we will move to Question Time at 2.00 pm. He might want to bear that in mind when he makes his remarks.

Pádraig Delargy (Sinn Féin, Foyle)

Thank you, Mr Deputy Speaker. I intend to keep my remarks short.

I welcome the Minister's proposal to close the scheme in order, as has been highlighted already, to be fair to participants and the public purse and so that there is no increased liability. It will obviously touch on the vast majority of participants, and I am conscious that it is to benefit people this winter.

John Blair (Alliance, South Antrim)

I call David Honeyford, with a reminder of the remarks that I made a moment ago about time limits as we move towards 2.00 pm. The Member can judge that.

David Honeyford (Alliance, Lagan Valley)

Thank you, Deputy Speaker.

I want to set out my party's position. It is with regret that we debate this. The controversy around RHI alone warranted better engagement with the Committee and the groups that represent RHI boiler owners.

"RHI": three letters that terrify some people, horrify others and, further, have left a group of people suffering financially. My concern is for those people. RHI has brought the Assembly down in the past. Not only has it left some people who honestly engaged in the scheme in debt but it left the people of the whole region without a Government for three years. Everyone suffers now from the lack of reform in Departments as a result. Let us also not forget that it helped to finish the political career of the former DUP First Minister, who was the Minister who brought us the scheme in the first place. RHI has been a disaster from the start. There have been years of failure and the suffering of many people.

Where are we now as we start to look forward? Given that Alliance had no part in the design or implementation of RHI, our concern is primarily for the people caught up in the scheme. They honestly entered a government scheme and are now at financial loss. First, we are not talking about closure of the scheme, as the Committee Chair, Phillip, said.

We are looking to scrutinise the legislation, and we look forward to its coming forward in 2025. Alliance supports the closure of the RHI scheme. It needs to be closed, and we need to move on.

The tariff uplift and the closure are two separate issues, but, equally, we cannot separate them because they are linked. Northern Ireland needs to move forward with renewables at the centre of our energy policy and net zero delivery. Delivering energy security is key to this region, but RHI is a failed scheme of the past. Industry and investors must be able to move into a new scheme with absolute confidence that the lessons of RHI have been learned and the debacle of RHI is firmly behind us. Without its closure, we cannot access the UK renewables energy fund.

The development of a new energy scheme will be critical to delivering our legal and moral climate obligations. I have raised in Committee many times the need for the scheme to include energy that is generated by small wind sources. I clearly put on record Alliance's position while the Minister is here with us: we have an all-island energy market, and the entry point for any new scheme that we move into must be the same as that in the South. We cannot disadvantage investment in Northern Ireland. I urge the Minister to look at that again in the Department. Alliance will keep lobbying for the same generation levels and standards, North and South, for the benefit of all of us. We share this island. Alliance believes in enhancing North/South cooperation for the betterment of everyone across it.

The second, and equal, issue is that of the rate. We must recognise that many people engaged in the RHI scheme legitimately and in good faith. I have said that my concern is for them. They deserve a fair rate for the scheme's lifespan.

The place for scrutiny was the Committee for the Economy. The information that came to the Committee was, at best, limited and lacking. It felt as though we were trying to draw blood out of a stone.

Patsy McGlone (Social Democratic and Labour Party, Mid Ulster)

I thank the Member very much indeed for giving way. I was on the Enterprise Committee when the RHI scheme was brought through, and I sat across the way for a good part of the inquiry. Members have talked about documents being inaccurate and misleading, consultations not being available to them, evidence being hidden, full details not being presented to them, and, as you have just mentioned, major inadequacies in what was presented to the Committee. Is this déjà vu, or Groundhog Day? Seriously, what has been learned? Very little, it appears.

John Blair (Alliance, South Antrim)

I remind the Member that I might have to interrupt him at 2.00 pm.

David Honeyford (Alliance, Lagan Valley)

No problem. Thank you for the intervention. It has felt like we have been trying to draw blood out of a stone: information has been withheld, we have been given as little detail as possible, and there have been deflective and evasive answers. It has felt as though there is a fear of answering questions, and that we have not been given the information that we asked for to make a judgement. It is hard to build trust when it feels like the information that you are asking for is being withheld, you are being given different answers to the same questions at different times or you sense that you are simply not being given a straightforward answer or an answer that is in language that you can clarify simply.

When I left the Committee two weeks ago, I was not in a position to be able to support the proposal, or to recommend to the party that it should do so, but I have continued to work outside of the Committee to try to get answers and get to a place where I can recommend a direction of travel. My gut, and part of the Alliance Party's DNA, is to support and work with any Minister for the betterment of all of us. That is the place that I come from, and from which I want to start to work through the process. I have said many times that this place works best when we work together, but we are not getting information —.

John Blair (Alliance, South Antrim)

Will the Member conclude his remarks, or indicate that he wants to continue them after Question Time?

David Honeyford (Alliance, Lagan Valley)

I will continue after Question Time.

John Blair (Alliance, South Antrim)

Thank you. As Question Time begins at 2.00 pm, I suggest that the Assembly takes its ease until then. The debate will continue after Question Time, when David Honeyford will continue his remarks.

The debate stood suspended.

(Mr Speaker in the Chair)

Oral Answers to Questions — The Executive Office

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

Questions 1 and 11 have been withdrawn.

Michelle McIlveen (DUP, Strangford)

2. Miss McIlveen asked the First Minister and deputy First Minister to provide an update on the recent International Investment Summit 2024. (AQO 990/22-27)

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

The investment summit was an opportunity for us to make clear that our economy is very much open for investment. It allowed us to be visible to a wide range of global investment stakeholders and to engage directly with companies that might consider investing here, as well as those that already have a presence. We were able to hear about the latest developments from the Government in their plans to support investment and remove barriers. The summit also gave us the opportunity to reinforce the message of why this is a great place as an investment option and to highlight the unique benefits of dual market access.

Michelle McIlveen (DUP, Strangford)

There was next to no media coverage of the First Minister and deputy First Minister's attendance at the international investment summit in London or, indeed, of the Council of the Nations and Regions last week in Edinburgh. Why were local media not given access to those events? Was it related to the First Minister hiding from media scrutiny because of the safeguarding scandal in Sinn Féin?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

It is unfortunate that the Member has decided to take away from that great opportunity for us to sell our wares and let people know that we are very much open for business. It was an investment summit that we turned out to and participated in. We had a great conversation on the Friday at the Council of the Nations and Regions, and we were back to London on the Monday for the investment summit, where we met representatives from numerous businesses that potentially want to invest here, so that we could set out our unique selling points. It was not within our gift to decide that local media would not turn up to do interviews in London, as was the case last Monday at the investment summit.

Paula Bradshaw (Alliance, Belfast South)

Last week, at the Executive Office Committee, we had some presentations on the draft investment strategy. Will you lay out the timescale for you and the deputy First Minister signing off on that?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

We are working our way through that. A previous submission was put out to consultation, and we will come back on that. I hope that it will be in the immediate period ahead. I cannot give you an exact date, but we want to bring it forward, because it is important that our investment strategy aligns with the Programme for Government work. As we finalise the Programme for Government, it is appropriate to have the investment strategy alongside it as an enabling plan that will allow us to get the work moving. I look forward to engaging with the Committee on the outworking of all that work.

Philip McGuigan (Sinn Féin, North Antrim)

I thank the First Minister for highlighting the North as a place for investment. Will the First Minister indicate the future benefit for the North as a result of the investment summit?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

The purpose of the summit was to engage with international trading partners and demonstrate that we are very much open for business. We are confident that our positive engagement with stakeholders at the summit and the very clear message about our ability to support innovation and high-quality jobs will drive future investment. Naturally, some of that will take time to deliver. Unfortunately, you do not have one engagement at those investment conferences and quickly translate it into an investment plan. It is, however, important work as part of building up networks and contacts, making sure that we are doing everything that we can to attract investment and getting on with local delivery.

Recently, the Department for the Economy published the subregional economic plan. A key element of that is the establishment of local economic partnerships that focus on the areas that are important across the different council areas. The new £12 million skills fund has been established. We are working to improve careers advice. We really have a very good news story to tell. We certainly took the opportunity to make that very clear to all those potential investors, because, when it comes to investment opportunities, we have a lot to be optimistic about. As I said, our story and our selling points as a strategic location with dual market access, a youthful and growing population and a highly-skilled and cost-effective workforce were all the types of points that we made to those potential investors. I look forward to having even more of those connections in the time ahead, because we have already been able to follow up on some of the opportunities that were identified at the investment conference, not least when it comes to Studio Ulster and the opportunities that we will have for that next year with the big announcement.

Diana Armstrong (UUP, Fermanagh and South Tyrone)

First Minister, what additional plans does the Executive Office have to promote Northern Ireland on the world stage and to help attract inward investment?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

The conference gave us an opportunity to set out our stall. I mentioned some of the selling points that we have, such as our strategic location. Dual market access is a unique selling point now and will attract investors. Look at some of the stats on our economic performance. In the past year, manufacturing exports to the EU grew by 14%. That is in comparison with what happened in England, Wales and Scotland. We have made some good progress there. Sales to Britain have increased and were up by 17% in 2022. Cross-border trade has more than doubled over the past five years.

We need to do everything that we can to exploit our dual market access and make the case, so, as First Minister and deputy First Minister, along with Executive colleagues and the Economy Minister, we will continue to repeat the message that we are open for business, that we have political stability and that we want you to come and invest here. That will align with the work that is being done within the Minister for the Economy's remit and also with what the deputy First Minister and I will do through diplomacy — by going out and making contact with people and following through on the investment opportunities. I think that we can be very optimistic about growing the economy.

Sinéad McLaughlin (Social Democratic and Labour Party, Foyle)

3. Ms McLaughlin asked the First Minister and deputy First Minister to outline what steps they have taken to ensure that their work representing the interests of victims and survivors has not been undermined as a result of issues around Michael McMonagle. (AQO 991/22-27)

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

We are fully committed to protecting all children from harm and ensuring the highest standards of safeguarding and child protection. All staff in our Department must adhere to the NI Civil Service (NICS) child protection policy and guidance, and established procedures are in place for reporting concerns and disclosures.

We are also committed to continuing our important work with victims and survivors. Since February, we have engaged with the Commissioner for Survivors of Institutional Childhood Abuse, and we will shortly meet victims and survivors groups to discuss the issues that matter to them. We met those affected by mother-and-baby institutions, Magdalene laundries and workhouses before the launch of the public consultation, and we are also committed to direct ongoing engagement as the process continues.

We have secured the Executive's endorsement of a new strategy for victims and survivors of the Troubles conflict and the new strategic framework for ending violence against women and girls. That framework was developed through co-design with the input of the community and voluntary sector, including the most valuable participation of women who have lived experience. In support of that, the junior Ministers visited grassroots women's organisations and met victims and survivors of violence. They have also met victims and survivors of historical clerical child abuse to discuss ongoing research and to attend an event to recognise the work of the regional trauma network. Across all those areas of work, we will continue to focus on delivering for some of the most vulnerable people in our society.

Sinéad McLaughlin (Social Democratic and Labour Party, Foyle)

First Minister, when were you first made aware of the reason for Senator Niall Ó Donnghaile's suspension from your party?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

On 13 September, in line with our child protection guidelines, and given that the complainant was under the age of 18, Niall Ó Donnghaile was suspended from the party and the issue was referred to the PSNI and social services in the North to investigate. At that point, I was made aware.

Emma Sheerin (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

Following the further tragic news of yet more deaths of females in the North — indeed, I was on my feet earlier today in the Chamber to speak about that — can you outline your commitment to the ending violence against women and girls strategy on which your Department is leading?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

Thank you for that. I commend the Member for the statement that she made earlier. Of course, we all send our heartfelt condolences to the families of each and every one of those women who have lost their lives because of violence against women and girls. Twenty-four women have been murdered since 2020. They were daughters, mothers, sisters and friends, and those figures absolutely speak to an epidemic of violence against women and girls. Let me outline again today the message that we delivered when we launched our strategy: words are not enough. Now is past the time for talking, and that is why ending violence against women and girls has been a day-1 priority for me and for the deputy First Minister and why it is a priority in the draft Programme for Government.

Our seven-year strategic framework and our first delivery plan, which were launched last month, will work to end this scourge on society, but, as the Member will know, at the heart of that plan is the preventative work and the education piece that must be carried through. This will take some time, but it is the beginning of what may well be a generational journey where the end point must be the building of a society where women and girls live free from all forms of violence, abuse and harm. Together, we must make that work happen.

Jonathan Buckley (DUP, Upper Bann)

In the interests of transparency for victims and survivors, just last week, the First Minister's party leader, Mary Lou McDonald, faced calls to correct the record in the Dáil after she appeared to have misled the House in relation to the age of the victim of former Senator and former Sinn Féin Lord Mayor of Belfast Niall Ó Donnghaile who was the subject of inappropriate texts. For the purpose of clarity, will the First Minister tell the House the age of the schoolboy involved?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

I repeat that all child protection protocols were followed, with an immediate referral to the PSNI and also to social services. The protection of the young person was absolutely our primary concern. Niall Ó Donnghaile was held accountable and faced serious consequences for his totally unacceptable and inappropriate behaviour. I am deeply sorry and angry that that young person had to endure any of that inappropriateness or unacceptable behaviour. I confirm that, according to our records, the young person was, in fact, 17. That is the record that we have in our membership files.

Connie Egan (Alliance, North Down)

Minister, last week the Executive Office Committee issued an invitation to you to attend the Committee this week with regard to safeguarding and representation of victims and survivors. Will you be coming to the Committee this week?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

I am very happy to engage with the Committee. I know that the Committee is seeking legal advice. I look forward to seeing that. I am happy to clarify the record in terms of the questions that were put to me.

Timothy Gaston (Traditional Unionist Voice, North Antrim)

First Minister, the last time that you came before the Executive Committee, you told us that you did not see Michael McMonagle at an event in this Building on 14 February, even though photographs emerged a few days later showing that you were within feet of him. You told us that you did not engage with the British Heart Foundation on that day. Photographs later emerged, after a few days, showing that you had had conversations with Fearghal McKinney. When I asked you a question in this place about when the next Sinn Féin paedophile scandal would hit the party, you would not answer . Now we know why.

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

Ask a question, Mr Gaston, please.

Timothy Gaston (Traditional Unionist Voice, North Antrim)

Is it not the truth that, given the remit of your office, you have lost all credibility, or does the fact that, with all other unionists in this Chamber seemingly having confidence in you to hold office —

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

You are moving into a statement, so I call the First Minister.

Timothy Gaston (Traditional Unionist Voice, North Antrim)

— mean you have calculated that, like so often before, you will get away with it?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

I am always more than happy to answer questions that are genuinely about safeguarding, because it is so important that we get this right. I have clarified my position in relation to engaging with Fearghal McKinney and the British Heart Foundation. The Member knows that only too well, so he is just standing on his feet to make a party political statement, as opposed to being genuine and asking questions that are legitimate for me to answer, which, I think, I endeavour to do in this House.

Keith Buchanan (DUP, Mid Ulster)

4. Mr K Buchanan asked the First Minister and deputy First Minister to provide an update on the first Council of the Nations and Regions meeting. (AQO 992/22-27)

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

We attended the inaugural meeting of the Council of Nations and Regions in Edinburgh on Friday 11 October 2024. The council has been established to bring together Governments and authorities with devolved responsibilities to determine actions for tackling some of the biggest and most cross-cutting challenges that we face.

The meeting was chaired by the British Prime Minister, Keir Starmer. Also attending were the First Ministers of Scotland and Wales, the Mayor of London and the mayors of combined authorities and combined county authorities. This first meeting focused on economic growth and inward investment. The theme was chosen in the light of the international investment summit which was then held in London on 14 October and which the deputy First Minister and I also attended. The council received an update on the industrial strategy green paper, 'Invest 2035', and we discussed opportunities for attracting long-term inward investment. Council members confirmed their commitment to working together to maximise investment and support economic growth. It is envisaged that the council will meet again in spring next year.

Keith Buchanan (DUP, Mid Ulster)

I thank the First Minister for her answer. I welcome the fact that the First Minister and deputy First Minister attended this event and are engaging with the Prime Minister and other UK regions. Will she commit to me and this House to make a full statement on the back of that meeting to outline its benefits to this region?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

We are happy to report, as I have just done by answering the question. However, this falls outside the normal structures of reporting to the Assembly. We need to take advice with regard to that. However, we are very happy to inform the House that we saw it as a good opportunity to engage and discuss investment, shared challenges and shared opportunities. We look forward to building on the work that has now commenced with this new structure, but it is not a substitute for other formal structures of intergovernmental engagement, including, for example, the British-Irish Council or the East-West Council structures.

Maolíosa McHugh (Sinn Féin, West Tyrone)

Minister, did you have the opportunity to raise the city deals with the Prime Minister during the visit?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

Yes, while we were in Edinburgh, the deputy First Minister and I had the opportunity to meet Keir Starmer privately in advance of the meeting with the First Ministers of Scotland and Wales. We raised the issue of funding for city deals. We absolutely underlined and stressed the importance of urgently securing the funding for those city deals that remain paused, the Mid South West and the Causeway Coast and Glens deals. The British Government's refusal to honour their commitment to the Mid South West and Causeway Coast and Glens city deals is inexcusable. We really wanted to underline their importance. If Keir Starmer is on his feet speaking about economic growth, that needs to be felt across the board. We cannot have a disparity in these deals. They are economic generators and, crucially, will drive investment and increase numbers of jobs. The need for the pause to be lifted and for them to get on with putting the funding back in place was certainly one of the areas that we raised. We are hopeful of having some indication in that regard at the end of the month with the Chancellor's statement. Hopefully, that will shed some more light on the pathway for those deals to be resumed.

Phillip Brett (DUP, Belfast North)

5. Mr Brett asked the First Minister and deputy First Minister for an update on the Urban Villages initiative in North Belfast. (AQO 993/22-27)

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

With your permission, Mr Speaker, junior Minister Reilly will answer that question.

Aisling Reilly (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

To date, £16·3 million has been invested in North Belfast in Urban Villages capital projects, 13 of which are now complete. Four projects are being progressed in the area, including the Ardoyne Bone Community (ABC) Health and Leisure Trust hub, which is on-site now, and the redevelopment of Ballysillan playing fields, where construction is due to begin on-site in November of this year. A Westland community centre is being explored. Westland Community Group has invited us to meet it to talk about the community centre, and we hope to take that offer up in the near future. More than £2 million has been invested through revenue projects to improve good relations outcomes in the North Belfast Urban Villages area. The impact that the Urban Villages programme has had in the North Belfast community is significant. Successful delivery of the remaining capital projects will increase access to shared space facilities and continue to promote integration across the area and beyond. We recently set out the strategic direction for Urban Villages, which will include completion of the remaining capital projects on the current plan.

Phillip Brett (DUP, Belfast North)

I thank the junior Minister for her comprehensive update. I agree with her that the impact that Urban Villages has had in North Belfast is significant. Junior Minister, there are other parts of North Belfast that would hugely benefit from a scheme. Is the Executive Office scoping the creation of a further Urban Villages programme across Northern Ireland so that we can ensure that all communities have the right to benefit from that important work?

Aisling Reilly (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

As the Member knows, Urban Villages, by design, was not supposed to be a long-term funder. We have to learn from what has worked throughout the programme and how we can improve. It has made a real impact on communities by improving good relations and supporting regeneration. Alongside junior Minister Cameron, I have visited numerous sites, met organisations and witnessed the positive changes that have taken place as result of the programme. Work on the ground continues, with those local communities playing a vital role in shaping the projects and benefiting from their delivery. I look forward to working with officials in the Department on the development of Urban Villages.

Pádraig Delargy (Sinn Féin, Foyle)

I note the hugely positive work that has come out of Urban Villages, particularly in my constituency in Derry. I appreciate that the junior Minister has already answered this in part, but can she outline specifically the next steps for the project? Also, what thought has been given to Urban Villages phase 2?

Aisling Reilly (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

Since coming into this position, I have had the great opportunity, alongside other Ministers, to visit numerous sites throughout the North. We were at the New Gate Arts and Culture Centre in the Fountain area of Derry, and at Hosford Community Homes in east Belfast. I commend the great work that is done by the East Belfast Mission and at the community garden and family sheds in south Belfast. There is also the Lockhouse development that will be delivered. Just last week, I attended another great event in the City Hall that brought schoolchildren together. It was a buddy-up initiative celebration. That really showed that good community relations are beneficial not just for the schools and teachers but for the kids and the parents.

As you have already heard, the programme has clearly delivered a tangible benefit across participating communities. Successful delivery of the remaining capital projects will increase access to shared space facilities and continue to promote integration across the five Urban Villages areas and beyond. We have set out a strategic direction for Urban Villages in the time ahead. That will include completing the current Urban Villages plan, with a focus on delivering the remaining capital portfolio projects; investing in securing the sustainability of capital projects; working on capacity building to support community organisations that are taking forward large capital projects; and planning for the future by establishing a working group to take forward the development of phase 2. Ministers are reviewing the areas where Urban Villages phase 2 will have the most impact, including more rural areas. We will keep Members informed as that process progresses.

Mark Durkan (Social Democratic and Labour Party, Foyle)

Is it, and has it always been, imperative that all Urban Villages projects, and the work that they do and fund, improve good relations outcomes and promote integration?

Aisling Reilly (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

I have outlined the good work that Urban Villages has done throughout the North. It has had a wide reach, and it has been impactful for people of all ages. We are focused on investing in securing the sustainability of remaining capital projects. As I said, we will keep Members up to date.

Órlaithí Flynn (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

6. Ms Flynn asked the First Minister and deputy First Minister for an update on their plans to develop a racial equality strategy post-2025. (AQO 994/22-27)

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

With your permission again, Mr Speaker, junior Minister Reilly will answer that question.

Aisling Reilly (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

One of our key priorities is building a society where racial equality and diversity are supported, valued and respected. Work is continuing to deliver the commitments in the racial equality strategy. Beyond 2025, it is important that there is a clear mechanism and overarching framework for achieving racial equality and eradicating racism in our society.

On 11 September 2024, I attended a workshop with the racial equality subgroup and the Travellers and Roma thematic groups. The purpose was to gather initial thoughts on the way forward. Feedback from that workshop along with input from key stakeholders, including the wider minority ethnic sector, will inform any future strategic approach. We all want to see the end of racism and to make this a fair and inclusive society where everyone is made to feel welcome and safe.

Órlaithí Flynn (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

I thank the junior Minister for her response. Will she provide us with an update on the minority ethnic development fund?

Aisling Reilly (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

The minority ethnic development fund continues to be a key element of policy for racial equality and good race relations. It is intended to align with and support our racial equality strategy 2015-2025, and it is a vehicle for delivering aspects of the vision and shared aims. In line with a review of the fund, a three-year funding scheme is in place from April 2022 to March 2025 to help provide successful groups with greater stability and enable longer term planning and support.

There are 31 successful applicants being supported through the fund, which is worth approximately £1·1 million per annum. We recognise the value that the sector places on the fund and how it can support organisations to provide critical services to minority ethnic communities here. Subject to budget, we will extend the fund for current recipients by one year during 2025-26 to align with a new strategic approach, and officials are working through the procedures that are required to implement that.

Sian Mulholland (Alliance, North Antrim)

Will the junior Minister give us an update on when the Race Relations (Northern Ireland) Order 1997 will be updated?

Aisling Reilly (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

A consultation on a review of the Race Relations Order started in March 2023 and formally closed in June 2023. A report on the responses and feedback from the consultation was published in August 2024. We aim to bring updated race relations legislation to the Assembly, through the legislative programme, in the 2025-26 session. The report considered over 50 amendments and will inform the basis for any legislative changes. It will move us a step closer to providing the best possible legal protection against racism and towards a more equal society.

Colin McGrath (Social Democratic and Labour Party, South Down)

Does the Minister agree that a stand-alone hate crime Bill would assist the racial equality strategy?

Aisling Reilly (Sinn Féin, Belfast West)

All forms of violence, hate and discrimination have to be tackled head-on and called out. There is no place for racism in our society. We need to support inclusion.

We must challenge and confront any form of prejudice and ensure values of respect and equality for all. Our collective goal is to build a society where every individual, regardless of their background or identity, can live free from fear, hate and intolerance. We should all work actively and together to make sure that our communities are safe and welcoming for everyone.

Linda Dillon (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

7. Mrs Dillon asked the First Minister and deputy First Minister to outline the next steps in the process of establishing a statutory inquiry and a financial redress scheme for those affected by mother-and-baby institutions, Magdalene laundries and workhouses. (AQO 995/22-27)

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

The public consultation on the proposals for a public inquiry and a redress scheme closed on 19 September. We thank all those who responded and attended one of the 16 public events. In total, 269 responses were received, and we are committed to publishing an analysis of them in the coming weeks. Whilst we need time to consider the responses in full, there are many areas of broad agreement where positive amendments can be made. However, there remain many sensitive policy issues that will require discussion with Executive colleagues before any final decision can be taken. It will also be important for us to engage with and listen to victims and survivors in this period.

We aim to do the majority of the work before the end of 2024. Once the draft Bill is agreed by the Executive, it will be introduced in the Assembly to be fully considered. In parallel, we continue to establish the practical requirements for the inquiry and redress service. We remain committed, along with many Members of the House, to helping people and their loved ones to get the answers and the support that they deserve.

Linda Dillon (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

I thank the Minister for her answer. Minister, can you give us a rough idea of the timeline? As we know, many of the women, who were girls at the time, are part of an ageing population.

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

Yes. I accept that. We want to move it on as quickly as possible. Given the enormity of the policy decisions and their emotive nature, we need to work our way through them as quickly as possible. We will continue to engage with victims and survivors throughout, which is also very important. As we have said, by the end of the year, we want to have got to a juncture where we have considered in full and discussed with Executive colleagues the policy positions that we may take. We will come back to the House, obviously, for scrutiny and for conversation with Members.

Matthew O'Toole (Social Democratic and Labour Party, Belfast South)

First Minister, the fact that this and other victims-, survivors- and abuse-related issues sit in the Executive Office underlines the importance of your credibility in relation to safeguarding and related matters. Further to Connie Egan's question, can I be absolutely clear on the point that you will appear before the Executive Office Committee this Wednesday?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

I intend to go before the Committee, but the matter of timing is one that I need to work out with the Committee. It has invited me to come back this Wednesday, but I am acutely aware that it has asked for legal advice. Let us get that, but I am more than happy to answer questions from the Committee.

Deborah Erskine (DUP, Fermanagh and South Tyrone)

The First Minister rightly said that institutional abuse is a source of shame and that the inquiry focused on the need for truth. She mentioned listening to victims and survivors. It is also a source of shame that, last week in the House, the First Minister refused to say that she believed Máiría Cahill. Will she answer the question this week rather than dodge it: does she believe Máiría Cahill when it comes to the abuse that she endured?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

I believe that I was asked that question at the Committee and that my answer was yes. There is no stepping away from that. I have answered the question before and am happy to do so again for you.

John Blair (Alliance, South Antrim)

8. Mr Blair asked the First Minister and deputy First Minister for an update on the appointment of a climate commissioner. (AQO 996/22-27)

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

Establishing the office of climate commissioner here is a key requirement of the Climate Change Act 2022 that falls to this Department. When established, it will be an important element of our support to transition to net zero. Prior to February 2024, officials took forward significant development work on the options for the commissioner, including how they will complement existing advisory bodies, and began drafting the required regulations. In recent weeks, the deputy First Minister and I have agreed that the necessary procedures should be undertaken to have the regulations laid and made in the Assembly as soon as possible. That will be an important first step in establishing the office of the commissioner. Our officials are undertaking the work required to have the regulations laid and made. The Committee for the Executive Office will also consider them in due course. The appointment of the climate commissioner will follow once the Assembly procedures are complete and the regulations are in place. Although there is no date stated in the Act for when a climate commissioner should be appointed, once the regulations have been approved, we will move as quickly as possible to see that that appointment is swiftly made.

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

Mr Blair, you have a few seconds.

John Blair (Alliance, South Antrim)

Thank you. Will the First Minister indicate why it has taken so long to appoint commissioners on a range of issues from climate to victims to languages, given that that was supposed to have been done within 100 days of restoration?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

There has perhaps been a bit of confusion about what was presented by officials in terms of the first 100 days, but it was not a work programme set out by me and the deputy First Minister. Suffice to say that, when the legislation was brought forward, Ministers were not in place, so a lot of work was happening in their absence. It is important that we get it right, and that is why we have revised the timeline for laying the regulations. It is complex, and we need to make sure we get it right. We restated our commitment to bringing it forward as part of the environmental improvement plan.

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

Time is up.

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

We are moving at pace, and, hopefully, it will be by the end of the year.

Edwin Poots (DUP, Belfast South)

We now move to topical questions. I call Justin McNulty

Justin McNulty (Social Democratic and Labour Party, Newry and Armagh)

T1. Mr McNulty asked the First Minister and deputy First Minister whether, given concern about Sinn Féin's lack of openness and transparency when explaining the recent departure of senior figures, she will reassure the public, including the survivors of abuse who have been triggered and re-traumatised by recent events, that a thorough review of Sinn Féin's safeguarding, whistle-blower and child protection processes will be conducted? (AQT 661/22-27)

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

As I said when I answered questions in the House, I want to be open and transparent and answer the questions that are posed to me, and I have endeavoured to do so. It is important that I repeat my assurances that safeguarding is of the utmost importance to me, and I have said that in the Chamber over the last number of weeks as a mother, a grandparent and a Minister of government. I am absolutely committed to ensuring that we uphold the best possible standards that we can.

I have set out what we will do internally and the personal responsibilities in terms of our party. I have said clearly that we will overhaul our systems and structures, but I also recommend that the public judge me on the actions I take as First Minister to fulfil all my responsibilities to support victims and survivors.

Justin McNulty (Social Democratic and Labour Party, Newry and Armagh)

I thank the First Minister for her answer. The House recognises that your credibility as the northern leader of Sinn Féin overlaps with your credibility as First Minister for all. To help restore trust in your ability to hold the highest office in the Assembly and in keeping with the Nolan principles, will you consent to a senior counsel scoping exercise with a view to assessing the need for an independent inquiry on how Sinn Féin, as a party, has dealt with complaints of abuse by those in positions of power and trust?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

There are mechanisms in place — this is one of them — for Members to ask me questions. I am being as open and transparent as I can be, and we have answered the questions that have been posed by Members here and in the Assembly Committee and, likewise, in the Dáil.

I take the opportunity to make a plea to all political parties that we are all part of society, everybody needs to do their due diligence and everybody needs to be very sure-footed in their child protection policies. I will bring that approach to our party. I am confident that we followed the child protection policies as we needed to, but I encourage that across the board. Let us all question ourselves: is everybody fit for purpose? If we are all serious about safeguarding, that is the remit that falls to every one of us.

Declan McAleer (Sinn Féin, West Tyrone)

T2. Mr McAleer asked the First Minister and deputy First Minister, who will be aware of the importance of the basic payment scheme as they represent largely rural constituencies, and given the lack of certainty beyond next year's payment, as the scheme is under the control of the British Government, whether they appreciate that any cut to the payment could have a detrimental impact on the agricultural community, particularly small farms? (AQT 662/22-27)

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

Yes. Absolutely. I thank the Member for his question and for being vocal on the issue, as are other Members of the House. Farmers were told that the funding would be replaced pound for pound, and they are still not sure where they stand. The cut to farm support, particularly for small family farms, will have a negative impact on our local farmers and our agri-economy. Since Brexit, our agricultural community has faced significant uncertainty, first with the loss of the single farm payment under the EU common agricultural policy (CAP) and now with the cut to the basic payment scheme. The scheme is a lifeline for farmers, and it must be protected. I assure the Member that we have raised the matter at British Government level and will continue to do so.

Declan McAleer (Sinn Féin, West Tyrone)

I thank the Minister for her response; she has partially answered my second question. Will the Minister and the Executive recommit to pressing the British Government for fair funding for the Executive and for guaranteed long-term funding for our farming community?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

Since the Executive were restored, I and other Ministers have used every opportunity to urge the British Government to fairly fund the Executive so that we can, in turn, support our local economy and our public services. We know that, prior to the election, we were dealing with 14 years of cuts and chaos under the Tories that, combined with Brexit, put immense pressure on farmers and rural communities. Without that investment, the survival of our rural economies and livelihoods will certainly be at risk. These payments to farmers are under the direct control of the British Government. As I said, we will continue to take every opportunity to press for fair funding for farming and to ensure that that is put in place immediately. As a matter of fact, we raised that with Keir Starmer when we met him on Friday of last week.

Phillip Brett (DUP, Belfast North)

T3. Mr Brett asked the First Minister and deputy First Minister, in light of the fact that, after another week with another safeguarding scandal and yet another attempt to provide the public with half-truths, the First Minister's party president claimed that the schoolboy subject to inappropriate contact was 17 when he was not and the fact that her party tried to claim that he was happy with how her party handled the incident when he was not, why the First Minister, who has confirmed for the first time that she became aware in September of Mr Ó Donnghaile's actions, allowed him to stay in office for another three months despite knowing about his actions. (AQT 663/22-27)

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

There is a danger of just repeating and repeating. We have answered this question very clearly. All child protection protocols were followed. All child protection protocols were followed, with the immediate referral to the PSNI and social services. The protection of the young person was our primary concern, as it always would be. Mr Ó Donnghaile was held accountable and faced serious consequences — rightly so — for his inappropriate and unacceptable behaviour. As I said earlier, I am deeply sorry that that young person went through that experience. It is totally unacceptable by anybody's standards. As we said at the weekend in terms of the young fella himself, Mary Lou McDonald clearly stated on the public record that any commentary that she made was never designed to cause additional distress to the young person, and that remains our position.

It is so, so important that people do not play games with people's lives here. This is so, so delicate in terms of the young individual. It is important that I am open and transparent, as we have endeavoured to be. It is important that people do not play games, please, with people's lives whenever they come to talk about this subject.

Phillip Brett (DUP, Belfast North)

First Minister, I will try that again, because transparency is important. I ask you again: why did you, as deputy leader of Sinn Féin and First Minister designate, allow Niall Ó Donnghaile to remain as one of the most senior members of Sinn Féin and the leader of your party in the Seanad for three months — three months — despite you knowing that he had inappropriately contacted a schoolboy?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

Again, we are on the public record as having said that the party received legal advice that naming the individual would not have been appropriate, given that no criminal charges were brought against him. However, we also stated clearly that he was dealing with a severe mental health crisis and was deemed to be medically unfit by his doctor. Therefore, there were concerns about the individual's mental health. Again, we have said that clearly on a number of occasions.

Colin Crawford (UUP, North Antrim)

T4. Mr Crawford asked the First Minister and deputy First Minister whether there is any strategy or legislation that is not progressing through the Executive Office due to any ongoing disagreements between them. (AQT 664/22-27)

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

I assure the Member that there will be plenty of disagreements between me and the deputy First Minister: that is the cut and thrust of politics. There may be a different policy emphasis at different times, but we are working our way through those issues. There are times when we have differences in approach, but, given the "jointery" of the office, we try to find a way to work through those. Where we have come up against any difficulties, we have been able to manage our way through those. I have no doubt that we will have many a challenge in the time ahead, but we will continue to work our way through them.

Colin Crawford (UUP, North Antrim)

I thank the First Minister for her answer. What assurances can she give us, as Members, and the public that the Executive Office will provide a strong, strategic agenda between now and the end of the mandate?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

We have already demonstrated that that is what we are absolutely committed to doing, when you look at what we have been able to do. Our draft Programme for Government is out for consultation. We have had the first-year legislative programme. We have made advances in childcare. We have made advances across a raft of areas on which we can be collectively proud that we are making progress. Of course, there is a large volume of work to get through. It is important that we get the right strategies and policies in place. It is important that we demonstrate to the public the value of local institutions delivering for them. That is my resolve and, no doubt, that of the deputy First Minister in the Executive Office. We will always come to the House to talk to Members about all the areas that we cover.

Harry Harvey (DUP, Strangford)

T5. Mr Harvey asked the First Minister and deputy First Minister, who will be aware of the plans to charge VAT on private schools and how that will inadvertently affect small, independent schools across Northern Ireland such as Harmony Christian School in Ballynahinch, whether they support the Education Minister's stance on the issue and, if so, whether they will write to the Labour Government to seek to ensure that low-income families in Northern Ireland who see benefit in faith-based education do not fall foul of that tax policy. (AQT 665/22-27)

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

That is a policy responsibility for the Department of Education, so the Education Minister will be best placed to answer that question. He has not, I believe, asked for support on it, but I would need to double-check to be sure. Obviously, the policy responsibility falls to the Education Minister.

Harry Harvey (DUP, Strangford)

I thank the First Minister for her response. Will she commit to engaging with Treasury to secure Northern Ireland's exemption from the policy, if that is suitable?

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

First, the Education Minister will need to contact me to raise any concerns that he has. We can see where it goes from there. Having not been over the policy remit, I cannot comment in more detail.

Maolíosa McHugh (Sinn Féin, West Tyrone)

T6. Mr McHugh asked the First Minister and deputy First Minister to outline their plans for the delivery of the next phase of the north-west development fund. (AQT 666/22-27)

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

We are working our way through that. It comes to an end in the early part of next year. We are keen to get to the juncture where we work with the Irish Government, because, obviously, they are a major funder. We want to build on the good progress that has been made to this point. Nobody can dispute that the north-west development fund has been effective, but there is a lot of scope for us to build on it. We need to communicate and are communicating with the Irish Government on what the next iteration looks like.

Maolíosa McHugh (Sinn Féin, West Tyrone)

Go raibh maith agat.

[Translation: Thank you.]

Minister, I am sure that you will agree that addressing regional imbalance is key to a thriving, progressive economy in the North of Ireland.

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

Yes. I talked earlier about growing our economy and its benefits and selling points. The fact that we are focused very much on regional balance and ensuring that we have a fair economy is a strong point to make. I welcome the fact that the Economy Minister has put forward proposals to ensure that there is regional balance across the board. They are a game-changer.

Everybody must enjoy the prosperity that we create. We can do a lot more in that regard, but the legislation that has been introduced and recent developments such as the A5 project going ahead speak to regional balance and an improved picture whereby we ensure that there is fairness across the board. I assure the Member that regional balance — creating more jobs and ensuring that everybody gets their share of them — is an absolutely laudable policy choice that, I know, we will continue to pursue.

Mark Durkan (Social Democratic and Labour Party, Foyle)

T7. Mr Durkan asked the First Minister and deputy First Minister whether they believe that the so-called Peacemakers Museum in Derry improves good relations outcomes and promotes integration, which are worthy aims that all Members support, given that, as Members heard from the junior Minister, Urban Village projects aim to do both. (AQT 667/22-27)

Michelle O'Neill (Sinn Féin, Mid Ulster)

Of course. As the junior Minister said, there are so many excellent projects out there that really improve community relations. No doubt the museum plays its part in that. That goes without saying.